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    I recently got into collecting WWII Italian militaria and would like some help identifying if this m33 helmet is authentic pre-war. I've done a lot of research and it seems to match the description, but I'd like some second opinions.
    It has the 2 prong split rivets, the dual stiching on the band, seems to have a crest and the Letters AT behind the chinstrap fastener, and is stamped with the serial P35. It looks to be olive drab paint with some strokes of brown on it that seem to indicate camouflage, but not covering it like used by the Spanish or post-war.
    What do you all think?
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    Forgot to post a picture of the size as well
    https://i.imgsafe.org/8bba18d5ca.jpg

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    Please use the photo upload on this site, the links you have posted are useless!..
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    welcome to the forum ulfhednar ,Paul is right ,please upload the picture's directly ,as a rule i don't click on links ,click on the [go advanced button] and then click the [upload picture's] when you next post a reply

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    Sorry about that guys, here's the pics again.Click image for larger version. 

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    Hello ulfhednar,
    it looks good to me and of pre-war period for the following reasons:
    -the rivets are those rounded with two tabs of the first type.
    -the liner has twin rear seams which are the first productions.
    -the felt looks yellow/orange color of 30/40's productions.
    -the chinstrap hooks are rectangular ones used in the 30/40's.
    -one of aluminum supports of chinstrap hooks is marked with crown + AT (Arsenal of Turin), a mark of monarchy period.
    -the color, although very aged, seems sage green used in the prewar period.
    -the shell code P35 indicates an early pre-war production, I think 1935/36.
    -is visible trace of the overlap with other helmets during storage and it does not seem repainted.
    In fact, beginning in 1940 they were all repainted in olive green.
    This type of early production M33 was actually deployed for the first time during the Spanish war to the Italian Legionaries and some batches were also used by Spanish soldiers.
    Having said this the M33 is always very risky because it has been used for about 60 years with many reconditioning and even falsifications, for this when you buy a helmet of this type would be advisable to know well the provenance.
    Follows an original example WW2 period for comparison, in this case already repainted olive green and used during WW2:
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    I hope I was helpful.

    Regards
    Roberto

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