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    Russ wrote to ask me to clarify the difference between the terms NLF and SNLF and some other names.

    A lot of confusion must come from the fact that NLF 陸戦隊 was not a name for a unit, but a name of a duty, detail or temporary task of ship crews. They were normal sailors attached to ships that got assigned to land duty when in port, like sentries. So NLF was initially only a temporary role for full-time sailors. It might make things clearer to translate Rikusentai as Land Combat Task Force or Detail. Better yet, in Star Trek lingo, NLF simply meant "Land Combat Away Team".

    Being an away team from ships, they would have vessel names. And when several away teams joined together from various ships, they got named by squad or fleet number. So these teams were named "Battleship XX LF (land force) 戦艦XX陸戦隊" "The Xth Squad LF 第X戦隊陸戦隊" or "The Nth Fleet LF 第X艦隊陸戦隊", according to size.

    In contrast, SNLF 特別陸戦隊 that emerged in addition to the above in the 1930s was full time land duty and was a unit independent of any ship. SNLF were set up for large naval bases and establishments. They were an Away Team that were permanently away. Thus for Star Fleet they would have been a planet garrison.

    Then as Japan's naval sphere extended to the Pacific Islands, certain places needed to be constantly held by the navy, and for these lesser naval positions, the full time NLF task force assigned to hold the island or place got named without any "Special" prefix and got called "Guard Unit 警備隊" or "Defense Unit 防衛隊". Their unit designations neither included the word Special nor the description of Rikusentai. They didn't get called "special" because the position to be held was no permanent naval installation, but only of temporary strategic importance.

    To summarize, there were ship-based NLF, as temporary units and then there were full time land-based NLF, which were called SNLF, if stationed at major installations. The land-based NLF stationed at minor
    naval holdings were called simply Defense or Guard units. All these units were NLF, which is not a unit name, but an attribute in the sense that "being Gay" is an attribute, but people don't have that description as part of their personal names. Or simply translate NLF as "Fish out of water" not to get confused.

    "Fish out of the water" is apt as the army called them "Kappa", which were monsters living in ponds that have a saucer-like basin on the top of their heads, which needed to be kept wet at all times. They could survive on land as long as the saucer held water, but they shrivelled up when it went dry. The navy called the army guys "Imo (Potatoes)" in return.

    So the units that got all the reservists were SNLF or the other full time land units having names like Guard and Defense units.
    Last edited by Nick Komiya; 02-19-2018 at 10:35 AM.

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    The English translation of "Naval Landing Force" is not technically wrong, at least when describing the early NFL function, which was indeed as a ship's "landing party" in the same vein as the Star Trek "Away Team", but many seem to misinterpret this as meaning "mass landing operations in the face of the enemy", which by design was an army function, not of the NLF. So to avoid misunderstanding, I used the term "Naval Land Forces" here, which describes the NLF function more accurately throughout the whole history of the NLF, even towards the end of WW2.

    Whether as an away team or permanently land based unit, they were primarily facility guards with their offensive role as navy paratroopers being a notable exception.

    In Japan, the navy itself was managed like a branch of the army in basic intent, and their allocated purpose was to keep sea lanes clear for army logistics. The rest was army business. Thus it was also the army that had sole control of the draft process, and the army allocated personnel to the navy. And it was army MPs that also oversaw navy personnel and even civilians, for that matter.

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    Many thanks for your patience Nick, and your detailed explanations!

    Regards

    Russ

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    In rereading "Eternal Zero" I finally rediscovered the reference to the NLF I mentioned in post #13, which underlines their status as being virtually a naval penal unit rather than the elite that American collectors tend to mistake them for. I quote--

    "The military would never have forgiven us for refusing to volunteer for the kamikaze units. Indeed, there were rumors to that effect. Pilots from other training units who had stubbornly refused were shipped off to join the ground troops (actually the original Japanese text here says NLF) fighting on the front lines or were deployed in suicidal battles. They were only rumors, so we had no way of knowing how much, if any of it, was true.
    But for those of us in that era, it was sufficiently close enough to the truth to believe." (Page 242 of the English translation)

    Within the IJN, the Land Forces were thus generally held in contempt as a humiliating unit to be assigned to.
    Last edited by Nick Komiya; 07-09-2018 at 11:08 AM.

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    I have no intention to argue with NLF collectors or take up research on navy matters, but it should be clear to readers by now that third rate troops such as the NFL were in no position to demand special NFL items, which were not standard IJN issue.

    By army standards, they were the kind of people that only deserved Ersatz specs. So I personally am extremely skeptical of any uniform item claimed to be NFL specific.

    Those who believe that certain items were NLF-specific are well recommended to double check their sources of information to see if such claims are solidly backed up by evidence and not merely collector lore.

    They were prime candidates for receiving the poorman's versions of standard navy gear (in the army, they would have been the kind of minor unit that got allocated felt field caps), but simply didn't have the clout to demand anything special.

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    The tunic with 3 button who all describe as NLF is in reality a standard navy tunic? Thanks

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    Please find that out for yourself, as I am not responsible for all the fake information. There is so much nonsense circulating about the NLF among American collectors, which not being a navy researcher, I do not wish to spend any time proving or disproving. So your only defense is to ignore such NLF claims, if you do not see any verifiable reference to a Navy Ordinance establishing it as a NLF-specific item. I only wanted to correct the totally flawed perception of the NLF, as most of the collector hype is based on the idiotic premise that they were special elite troops when they were actually the navy version of the German Volksturm or Strafbattailon. I only wanted to put them in the right perspective, so you can wake up from the hype.
    Last edited by Nick Komiya; 07-10-2018 at 04:19 PM.

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    Quote by nick komiya View Post
    ...Strafbattailon.
    OOOhhh. I had a friend who was "sentenced" to a Strafbattalion. Well, not really a Straffbattalion, but to the "Himmelfahrt Kommando" as a panzergrenadier. He was a Dutch W-SS soldier who complained after witnessing the cleanup of a mass-execution conducted in reprisal to the attempt on Oberguppenführer Hans Rauter.

    He was given the choice of (1) a Fliegendes Sonder-Standgericht (flying court martial) which would have sentencee him to a Strafbattalion (or worse!) ... or (2) "volunteering" for the anti-tank platoon. He volunteered for the AT platoon led by Untersturmführer Auke Pattist. Participated in the Battle of Arnhem and received the Infantry Assault Badge (bronze, I think); later he received the EKII for stopping a Canadian armored advance.

    His Stammkarte (item #27) reflects punishment.

    Sorry .... off track!!


    --Guy
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    Here's another reference to the NLF from the book Eternal Zero. The passage about choosing to join the Tokko program rather than be sent to the NLF. Page 296 of the English translation.

    I marked "I strongly wish to volunteer." If I made any other choice, there was no telling what they might do to me. The military was that sort of place. I didn't mind being shipped off to the front, but couldn't tolerate having my wings taken away and joining some island's garrison (NLF)

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    Here's a pic of the 3 button tunic in wear.

    They also appear to be wearing the early 2 piece wool/felt insignia and leather chin strap on the wool cap.

    Regards

    Russ
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