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(Dress?) portepee on a service K98 bayonet?

Article about: Hi, I was browsing the threads and came upon this excellent discussion about bayonet knots: http://www.warrelics.eu/forum/k98-ba...marine-311423/ A question arose: Would the white/green NCO

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    Default (Dress?) portepee on a service K98 bayonet?

    Hi,

    I was browsing the threads and came upon this excellent discussion about bayonet knots:

    Knots and Portepee of the Wehrmacht / Heer and Marine

    A question arose: Would the white/green NCO knot be applicable to my K98 1942 bayonet...? From what I'm reading and opinions I'm getting - these were worn as dress, not in service. I'm also aware this could very well be the obvious answer - but still.

    I'm still not sure however. Matching these items without any 'proof' seems like bending history to my own rules if you know what I mean. I'm not very keen on just matching these things.

    What are your opinions on this?

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    Hello,

    there still exist dress an service Troddeln (konts), also by NCO (Unteroffizier) knots. There are different in manufacturing, quality and material.
    Dress knots (Extra-Troddeln) were manly worn with dress bayonets (Extra-Seitengewehre). The service knots in service.

    First here is a service knot.
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    Here are there types of typical dress knots... i think you an see the differences
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    But the main Source, beside the orders and regulations, allways must be original pictures.

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    Brilliant! Exactly what I was looking for ;-) I didn't notice the subtle difference in design before. I'm in new territory with these and learning every day.

    Thanks.

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    Does this apply to these troddels aswell? I have two polizei troddeln, but they are slightly different from each-other. The one on the bottom has a leather strap and silver stitching, the on above has what I think a felt strap and white stitching (could have been silver once though...). Both have the same dimensions.

    Is one of them fake?

    Or does this illustrate another difference between dress and service models?

    Or... were troddels different wether assigned to a polizei bayonet, or a re-issued model 84/98 or 98/05 perhaps?

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