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E.Pack & Sohn 1938 K98 bayonet with frog / information requested

Article about: Beautiful frog, dating from med. period. For your bayonet, is correct one, without hilt strap. (With aluminum rivets.) Just need to take off Portepee. (They was never used the K98 combat bay

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    Default Re: E.Pack & Sohn 1938 K98 bayonet with frog / information requested

    Beautiful frog, dating from med. period.
    For your bayonet, is correct one, without hilt strap. (With aluminum rivets.)
    Just need to take off Portepee. (They was never used the K98 combat bayonet.)

    Regards
    Vedran

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    Hello,

    hmmm...

    1. the frog is not out of the med. period...

    2. hilt strap is correct and matches a cavalerie NCO knot (this is not a Portepee...its a NCO knot)

    3. Knots were worn in combat. Most from NCO´s. A lot of Original pictures show this. The use of a knot were ordered or not ordered. Look original sources an Pictures...

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    I don't know the date of the frog, but with aluminum rivets it would be consistent IMO with a 1940 dated Pack bayonet, and/or its 1938 dated Herder scabbard. With knots on occasion seen being worn in combat photos with troops using vehicles (or dismounted), although as time went on I would imagine that it was less and less. And with roughly a 10 year span just what exactly constitutes a "med." period? What I found somewhat unusual in the bayonet posted was that there seemed to be reddish grips in the first image, with perhaps a slight reddish tinge in the second? But maybe its the lighting? With the image posted below of another bayonet that came from Norway that is a depot rework. Renumbered to match, the recycled black Bakelite grips have worn through to expose the wood particle filler that sometimes gives them a partial brown or reddish tint in worn areas. With examples that are even more worn having a greater brown/reddish surface area that is exposed. FP
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    Roughly:
    Bayonet frog: 1. - Aluminum rivets, no hilt strap
    2. - Aluminum rivets - subsequently added hilt strap
    3. - Aluminum rivets with hilt strap
    4. - Iron rivets (painted) with the hilt strap
    5. - Radiator bayonet frog, bredbeag frog ........

    Regards
    Vedran

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    Yes and no. From my perspective, using just some of the Luftwaffe examples, to the far left a 1935 dated frog with tie strap copper rivets and brass washers. Aluminum of course, and then zinc phosphate on steel rivets/washers following that and some very lightly or no finish steel examples later on for general issue Wehrmacht frogs (with the Luftwaffe markings themselves ceasing earlier circa 1940). The (no tie strap) rubber (constructed like a radiator hose) frogs were dated circa 1941, and the scattered use of the tie straps (which were done two different ways) throughout the entire range with tie straps becoming more common IMO in the latter war years. And the breadbag types localized use at the end of the war, whereas the narrow types made for use with the folding shovel roughly coincide with the multi-year use of the shovels. FP
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    2. - Aluminum or another material rivets - with subsequently added hilt strap

    Regards
    Vedran

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    Quote by PzB View Post
    Received an original frog and portepee in exchange for the old Belgian frog.
    So the bayonet is back to a more original form!

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    Hello,
    At the end you got a decent bayo set.
    What you call a portepee is in fact a Faustriemen.
    Thanks
    PREUSSENS GLORIA

    In Memoriam :
    Laurent Huart (1964-2008)

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