K98 bayonet with special frog ?

[Sleepwalker]

Service Frogs of the Police shows different shades of brown, black and white. But all are brighter
The Luftwaffe frogs in according to the L.Dv. 422 had to be lacquered "schokoladenbraun" ( chocolatebrown ) of the flesh-side in all cases. This brown is a really dark brown.
Officiers had to wore frogs in "havannabrown", lacquered on the grain side.

Police frogs are easy to recognize, because they were lacquered on the grain side.

Without rivets I think it is a dress frog, of the police.
Here are some colors.

[Sleepwalker]

Here frogs Luftwaffe used... according to the L.Dv.422, Part A in "schokoladenbraun", no lighter or light brown were used.

After 1940 the frogs were also black.

Bluegrey webbing frogs, together with the bluegrey light Summer-uniform, only be a trial , worn ONLY northern the line of Neapel-Foggia, Balkan and Romania. (order in Luftwaffeverordnungblatt September 1941 )

The khaki webbing frog had to be worn from Luftwaffe south of the Line Neapel-Foggia

Here the colors

[Frogprince]

While it’s not being argued that they were no regulations in place of the way things were supposed to be - the reality of what happened IMO is another matter. With the backs of three of the frogs pictured showing the unmistakable Luftwaffe Bekleidungsamt (L.B.A.) markings. With the blue or gray-blue Luftwaffe tropical frogs that have come from not only veterans of the North African campaign in the U.S., but with another similar group from veterans in Australia and New Zealand. FP

[gerrit]

My best guess is a R.A.D. marked frog with its district K.S. = Kassel ( Gau XXII Hessen, with: Sitz der Arbeitsgauleitung in Kassel)
K.S. is also used on the Reichsbahn bayo's where K.S. stands for Kassel Direktion.

Cheers Ger

[Larry C]

Great thread guys and awesome examples of frogs posted!. I feel if we get enough examples and makers to match the frogs,, I would gladly pin the thread at the top. This would be a great resource and it seems you guys can pull it together.

[Wagriff]

I've never really bothered to look into it, but it occurred to me recently-just Where did the term "frog" come from when it comes to bayonet belt hangers? Anyone know? Don't tell me it was a French term invention?

[Eric Zentner]

Because it once resembled the shape of a leaping frog.So the story goes I have never heard a definitive answer on it but great question William.

Eric

[zwerge]

Great thread guys and awesome examples of frogs posted!. I feel if we get enough examples and makers to match the frogs,, I would gladly pin the thread at the top. This would be a great resource and it seems you guys can pull it together.

Hi Larry,that might be a long list,I have a list compiled by John D Walter for leatherworks and holster makers for WW1 and WW2,it has 249 companies listed....Pete.

[hbhansen]

Thank you very much guys, for all your input
I am still waiting for the bayonet to be delivered, so that I can post some better pics.
Best
HB

[Larry C]

Hi Larry,that might be a long list,I have a list compiled by John D Walter for leatherworks and holster makers for WW1 and WW2,it has 249 companies listed....Pete.

Hi Pete,, yes I agree, the list may be long and exhaustive...but if you look at the sticky thread at the top with the K98 and German Ordnance codes ..someone spent a;lot of time putting that together. Im sure in time as this thread progresses that the content that is here now and what is to come will be a good data base,,but everything is appreciated in contributed research. Best Larry