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Weimar 98/05 rework ground sawback

Article about: Extracts from Anthony Carterís book on the S98/05 The fear of being caught with them [ie saw back bayonets] was real enough for as early as July 1915, a letter was sent from the 1st Ersatz B

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    Extracts from Anthony Carterís book on the S98/05

    The fear of being caught with them [ie saw back bayonets] was real enough for as early as July 1915, a letter was sent from the 1st Ersatz Battalion of the 12th Bavarian Infantry Regiment to the 4th Infantry Brigade stating that problems had arisen over issuing saw backed bayonets to reservists as the men were afraid to go into action with such weapons. The letter added that combatants had confirmed that those taken prisoner on both the Eastern and Western fronts were shot if caught with saw backed bayonets. Permission was sought for issuing hand saws in place of the bayonets and for their exchange with plain bladed ones. The letter was sent on to the 1st Army Corps and then to the War Ministry in Munich but little effective action was taken for another two years.

    On 2nd July 1917 the Bavarian War Ministry wrote to the Chief of the Army General Staff about the saw backed bayonets recommending their abolition in infantry units and to replace them with folding saws in the Pioneers. The letter also pointed out that there was no basis to the reports that men captured with saw backed bayonets had been mistreated. However, since it was the general opinion of the troops at the front line that the weapons were too dangerous to retain, they should be replaced.

    A month later [6th August 1917] the Bavarian War Ministry wrote to the Ordnance Depot pointing out that, since the decree of 25th April 1917 had effectively suspended production of saw backed bayonets, any remaining stocks should be given only to the Pioneers.
    On 17th August, Ludendorff, the Commander in Chief, asked for the immediate suspension of their production and the gradual replacement of all saw backed bayonets at the front. The Prussian War Ministry ordered the gradual replacement on 15th September 1917.

    Training and rear echelon troops were allowed up to 50% saw bayonets. Orders stressed that troop commanders would be held responsible for making sure that no saw backed bayonets were issued to the front line.

    On 6th January 1918 the Prussian War Ministry issued an order concerning the removal of saws from the S98/05 and the short S84/98. It pointed out that the grinding of the saws had not made the bayonets unfit for service in the field.

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    Wheeler in SeitenGehwer states not all were stamped 1920 on crossguard. And some that were were removed as the Treaty of Versallis had no meaning by 1935. He states that was the purpose of the 1920 stamp. Maybe Sleepwalker could weigh in on this. timothy

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    Hallo,

    yes not all were stamped. The 1920 or 1921 was no property stamp. In this period a lot of weapons were illegal inside the population of the Reich. There were often situations like in a civil war. A common problem were this illegal weapons or those who wore stolen by the police or the Reichswehr. Also the Freikorps owns a huge quantity of weapons.

    In the 1920 the German government made a low: Entwaffungsgesetz. This provision was called: allgemeine Entwaffnung der BevŲlkerung (general disarming of the general public).

    Before this action, all hand arms in the stocks of Reichswehr and the German authority (police etc.) had to marked with 1920, to made a determination of legal and nonlegal hand arms... and recognize stolen ones after this time.

    After this time the 1920 was the most time not used, in the 1930 in general not, because the general disarming was finished or non effective.
    Also the stocks of the "schwaze Reichswehr", the secret action of the Reichswehr for a rearmament, were also not marked.

    Regards

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    Great information Sleepwalker thanks! timothy

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