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Article about: by porta We can only keep reminding others and keeping history alive in the hope people will not forget. VERY well said. But it is good that 4thskorpion raised the issue, however disturbing

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    Quote by CARL88 View Post
    The serial numbers will live on for generations to come as many young Jewish descendants of Holocaust survivors choose to be tattooed with similar numbers to the ones received by their relatives during their incarceration at Auschwitz.
    That is something I had never heard before. Good for those who do.

    Excellent thread--Thank you very much for posting it.
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    Quote by Wagriff View Post
    Interesting! I've never seen the actual tattooing materials-is the partial set shown from the camp or is it just a representative of the type used? I'd always read that Pepen and Sokolov used "2 needles attached to a piece of wood" to do their work?
    I've just found this info "Originally, a special metal stamp, holding interchangeable numbers made up of needles approximately one centimeter long was used. This allowed the whole serial number to be punched at one blow onto the prisoner's left upper chest. Ink was then rubbed into the bleeding wound.

    When the metal stamp method proved impractical, a single-needle device was introduced, which pierced the outlines of the serial-number digits onto the skin."
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    Tattooing of prisoners already incarcerated in Auschwitz did not start until mid to late 1943 which is why early released prisoners and escapees such as Witold Pilecki who escaped in the spring of 1943 were not tattooed with their inmate numbers.
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    A fantastic and interesting thread once again Carl , thanks for posting this detailed information and for once again keeping this tragic and murderous period of history at the fore. Leon.
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    A fascinating and haunting thread Carl

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    I always find the most haunting image, is of the main tower over the railway gate - taken at Dusk as Carl has captured.

    With the light on in the tower, it gives the feeling that it's still "waiting for the next ghostly train to arrive".

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    Quote by Gunny Hartmann View Post
    I've just found this info "Originally, a special metal stamp, holding interchangeable numbers made up of needles approximately one centimeter long was used. This allowed the whole serial number to be punched at one blow onto the prisoner's left upper chest. Ink was then rubbed into the bleeding wound.

    When the metal stamp method proved impractical, a single-needle device was introduced, which pierced the outlines of the serial-number digits onto the skin."
    Over 400,000 prisoners were assigned numbers-and this does not include the gas chamber chosens or many of the earlier prisoners...a staggering number...Just the basic operating of such a huge camp is beyond imagination.
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    Quote by Wagriff View Post
    Over 400,000 prisoners were assigned numbers-and this does not include the gas chamber chosens or many of the earlier prisoners...a staggering number...Just the basic operating of such a huge camp is beyond imagination.
    Thank you William for raising a point that many visitors, despite the sheer size of the camp complex in front of them, fail to note. Basically, the Auschwitz camp system was the size of a town - with the population of a small city. No amount of book reading, documentary watching or photographic study can prepare you for - or compare with, the experience of actually visiting the site(s). Birkenau alone measures over 1.5KM x 2.5KM - and that does not include the external areas related to the camp. Beyond imagination is exactly the correct term.
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    Quote by 4thskorpion View Post
    Tattooing of prisoners already incarcerated in Auschwitz did not start until mid to late 1943 which is why early released prisoners and escapees such as Witold Pilecki who escaped in the spring of 1943 were not tattooed with their inmate numbers.
    Thank you for that augmentation, that is correct - it indeed was 1943 when the already incarcerated prisoners were given tattoos. New arrivals received tattoos at Auschwitz-I from autumn 1941 - as mentioned earlier, whilst prisoners at Auschwitz-II, Birkenau began to receive tattoos during the spring of 1942. The following spring, the SS began to adopt the tattoo policy to almost all previously registered prisoners, including women. The prisoner numbering system began much earlier though, with the first series being implemented in the spring of 1940.
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    Quote by Gary J View Post
    I always find the most haunting image, is of the main tower over the railway gate - taken at Dusk as Carl has captured.

    With the light on in the tower, it gives the feeling that it's still "waiting for the next ghostly train to arrive".

    Gary J.
    Yes Gary, I believe that many feel a similar way to what you describe above. On Sunday, we were just leaving the site of one former sub-camp of Auschwitz when we had to stop to allow an old lengthy cargo train to pass. The slow rhythmical grinding and motion of the train cars made it an experience that instantly brought to mind the images of the transports, especially as the site was so close.
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