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P08 Artillery Pattern Luger 1917 DWM

Article about: Inspired by all the recent Luger talk, here is my 1917 DWM made Artillery type 'Luger'-these were adopted in 1914 as a light semi automatic carbine weapon for issue to NCOs of crew served we

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    Default P08 Artillery Pattern Luger 1917 DWM

    Inspired by all the recent Luger talk, here is my 1917 DWM made Artillery type 'Luger'-these were adopted in 1914 as a light semi automatic carbine weapon for issue to NCOs of crew served weapons (field guns, heavy MGs etc) or specialist units like field engineers or later storm troops as a way of getting increased close range defensive firepower to such troops in the days before light MGs, automatic rifles or SMGs were introduced in large numbers-a particular problem for the Germans who never developed a truly portable LMG.

    Issued with a detachable wooden shoulder stock, fitted with an 8" inch barrel and adjustable ramp rear sight marked to a highly optimistic 800 metres, it was otherwise the same weapon as the standard 4" barrel P08. Later in WW1 a special 32 round drum magazine was introduced to increase the available firepower but the whole rig was awkward and ill balanced and the concept fell out of favour with most armies after the war as other dedicated weapons came into service. Many of the Artillery pistols were scrapped under the terms of the 1919 Versailles Treaty or converted to standard P08s so the originals are relatively rare. Some did survive to see use in WW2 and small quantities were made for foreign contracts in the 1930s as a few small armies persisted with the idea of the dual pistol/carbine.

    As I had mentioned in another 'Arty Luger' post, the wooden shoulder stocks aren't currently allowed into Australia as fitting it turns the gun into a semi automatic carbine-this may change in the future, at least for historic weapon types. This pistol has the wear to it as one would expect for an issue weapon and is matching except for the disassembly lever (annoyingly!).
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    The holster, stripping tool, cleaning rod and wood base magazine for the above. Also the unit marking on the grip front strap, typical format for German pistols of WW1 -"113.R.11.10"
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    So, can you Own a shoulder stock but just not put it on your Luger, or are they simply banned entirely?
    William

    "Much that once was, is lost. For none now live who remember it."

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    Beautiful handgun Sir
    Collect ROA, Cossack, Schuma and other WW2 Volunteer militaria.

    "Be Humble and kind, for you may find that it was Odin you entertained"

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    Looks nice mate, a bit better condition than the one I have just bought.
    Ben

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    Wagriff-it's a strange situation-customs won't allow the import of shoulder stocks of any sort into the country, primarily to stop the sort of plastic/metal rigs that turn a modern pistol into a carbine but original or repro stocks for the Mauser C96, Luger, Browning HP35 etc get caught up as well-the state police forces (the 'local' police) don't allow the fitting of the stocks, particularly for actual shooting but you can own the things so we are now a closed market for the stocks with prices driven up as a result-a repro HP35 stock/holster goes for $600 AU now!

    Mr Evans-I didn't mean to try to steal your thunder, but I was caught up in all the recent Luger posts-thanks for your comments-this one is by far the most expensive weapon I have now, painfully so...

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    Lithgow
    Nice looking luger you have there. Yes you are right about being expensive. Even here in The USA they comand a high price. (Artillery models). I love these lugers. I am now Concentrating on WWI Lugers for my WWI section. Mainly Erfurts. I have a 1912 so far. They are not Artillery models. Can't afford them.
    If I am reading your unit marking right. It reads 113th Regiment, 11 company, 10th gun.
    Thanks for sharing your Luger with us.
    John
    I specialize in M1 carbines and Lugers.

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    What a great example.
    A beauty.
    Cheers
    Nuno

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