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I got a bad F&B.L Nahkampfspange close combat

Article about: Me again, still sorting through what I thought I had. Based on more than one website it appears my Nahkampfspange (close combat clasp) is a high-quality fake, given away by the incorrect ori

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    Default I got a bad F&B.L Nahkampfspange close combat

    Me again, still sorting through what I thought I had. Based on more than one website it appears my Nahkampfspange (close combat clasp) is a high-quality fake, given away by the incorrect orientation of the F&B.L mark with regard to the catch.

    Annoying. 12 years ago, the books on fakes had such obvious examples of bad badges I felt good about this one.

    bent shape, magnetic center plate, well made, wide pin, etc. I saw another post a similar fake (in gold) here, which was my first clue I had a problem. That thread was terse and basically said "the grenade and bayonet were all over the place" meaning poor quality I think.

    I have looked at this thing a lot over the last few days and I swear I'd buy it again if it was unmarked, as this seems the only giveaway. Note that the markings are raised/positive, so in theory someone could grind them off and sell as unmarked.

    I spent some time searching for repro CCCs, and all the ones I found were clearly faked/poor quality, compared to this one anyway.

    So, maybe I have the word's best fake, or the only known example of F&B.L making their mark wrong. Please help me decide.

    Also, I read on another site that another give away to this repro is that the backing plate and bottom of the badge are not parallel, and I think I see this in my item as well.

    FWIW, cost me 50 bones in '99 on ebay. May well have been worth it, but I did not want a repro.

    On to the pics.... (edit, battery died in cammera, be right back)...

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    Default Re: I got a bad F&B.L Nahkampfspange close combat

    Here are the pics, The has mine at top vs. another that was confirmed as "right" on this site.

    Also, it seems this is made of brass with some backed on coating. You can see where some has chipped off just below the center on the front. Also, I note that the hinge was broken when i obtained. Possible someone swapped in a better pin.

    Regards
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    Default Re: I got a bad F&B.L Nahkampfspange close combat

    I should clarify that. I believe mine to be bad because the maker mark is right-side up, under the pin catch. Originals from this maker are supposed to be upside down, above the catch.

    HTHs

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    Default Re: I got a bad F&B.L Nahkampfspange close combat

    Hi there,you're right it's bad. For the reasons you state & some others. Nice to see you've done a bit of reasearch on your CCC. Stewy S

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    Default Re: I got a bad F&B.L Nahkampfspange close combat

    Thanks again guys. I should mention that, the rear of the backing not being parallel with the badge's bottom is another tell tale.
    At least of this model. I have found matching ones listed as real for several hundred dollars.

    Another things that bothers me about this is the traces of the press seam on the edges. More pics to show:
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    Default Re: I got a bad F&B.L Nahkampfspange close combat

    I should add I'm by no means an expert, and perhaps the Admins should change the thread icon should be changed to other than fake-alert. My real intent, and hope of the thread, was to have someone offer proof showing my badge is, in fact, pre 1945. Sadly, I'm still waiting, but then again, proof of anything is hard to come by.

    I'm just a poor slob trying to figure out if there is any historical significance to my badge. At the time, all the googling (or was it alta-vista back then?) and the few books I had, indicated the item was good to go. Fast forward 12 years and bang, the net has evolved to offer forums like this.

    I find this link interesting as it implies a "bad" F&B.L bronze CCC made it into an authoritative book. I don't own a copy, but perhaps someone here does and can comment:
    SS Uniforms, Insignia, & Accoutrements book - Wehrmacht-Awards.com Militaria Forums

    Something tells me if it does show my clasp, it would be worth owning a copy so I could sell the two as a set.

    just kidding.

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