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NSKK Kriegskraftfahrerin Badge.......repro?

Article about: by Wagriff Guymauve -would you have or have a link so that we can see a Klasse 4 diploma? It would be most interesting to see an example of both Klasses. Was there such a thing as a Klasse 1

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    Default Re: NSKK Kriegskraftfahrerin Badge.......repro?

    Wachter & Lange didn't make RZM pieces?

    Here's one from Jeff Clark's site, in red.
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    from the Collector's Guild website:

    BACKGROUND: The development of the NSKK, "National Sozialistisches Kraftfahr Korps" (National Socialist Motor Corps), can be traced back to 1923 when the SA introduced a "Kraftfahr Abteilung" (Motor Section) to transport personnel as required. In 1928 the SA Motor section was expanded to "Kraftfahrstaffeln" (Motor-squadrons). In an attempt to create a national motor corps, the NSAK, "National Sozialistisches Automobil Korps" (National Socialist Automobile Corps), was formed in April of 1930 as an NSDAP auxiliary organization subordinate to the SA. In early 1931 Adolf Hühnlein was appointed as Chief of the NSAK and proposed a name change to NSKK, which was officially accepted in April of 1931. Shortly after the purge of the SA in the "Night of the Long Knives," in June of 1934, the NSKK was promoted to an official NSDAP organization, given independent status within the party, and absorbed the SA Motor Squadron's personnel.

    PHYSICAL DESCRIPTION: A 28mm diameter, convex zinc badge with painted detailing. Its obverse is in the form of a steering wheel, with an encircled, mobile swastika to its center and "N.S.K.K" above. Beneath which is scrolled "Kriegskraftfahrerin" (War[time]-motor-driver, with the "-in" suffix establishing the driver as being female). To its reverse is crimped a horizontal pin-back device, with an RZM, "Reichszeugmeisterei" (National-materiel-control-office), logo embossed above it, and "M1/35," the manufacturer's code for Wachtler & Lange of Mittweida, beneath it. Badge is a little dirty, but should clean up OK if desired. Scarce.
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    Yes thats right, every small enameled badge that has the number RZM M1/35 is a repro. (Not all badges or awards, i.e: the HJ proficiency badge etc..) I know that in this case we are talking about very late war painted zinc, but i put these into the same catagory as enameled.

    The Collectors Guild will always have many small badge fakes on their site, we have commented about this time and time again on the HJ-research forum. The badge on Jeffs site is a fake as well. Sorry, but thats just how it is.

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    Quote by Metallwarenfabrik View Post
    there was a discussion about these on WW2weaponsforum a few years back, with contributions from a user called Mike Peters, who was in the actual shop where these were being made.
    any chance you could post a link to this as reference?

    William Kramer
    Us and them - and after all we’re only ordinary men. Me, and you - God only knows it’s not what we would choose to do. Forward he cried from the rear, and the front rank died, and the general sat and the lines on the map moved from side to side.

    - US & THEM, THE DARK SIDE OF THE MOON - PINK FLOYD

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    Quote by all1knew View Post
    any chance you could post a link to this as reference?

    William Kramer
    That would have been around 2009 or 2010 if memory serves. In a few weeks i will have plenty of time to look around and link back, but right now not. In fact i only just looked back on the WW2 weaponsforum for the first time in a year at least, last night, and things seem to have changed there a bit, so i will need to hunt :-) But i am sure that Mike is also registered here, i know he is on most of the forums :-)

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    Hi
    All1knew insignia (#9) looks good to me.
    The Kriegskraftfahrerinnen Abzeichen was allways made in zinc, allways painted and never enameled.
    Cheers

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    Quote by Guymauve View Post
    Hi
    All1knew insignia (#9) looks good to me.
    The Kriegskraftfahrerinnen Abzeichen was allways made in zinc, allways painted and never enameled.
    Cheers
    Sorry to be a wet blanket, you are wrong though, the first version (so it is being called) was made in red enamel, and struck on a planchet of messing plated iron. Only one of these are known to date. (See Internationales Militaria-Magazin Nr. 137, page 18. for a nice image of the badge) I have no problems with ( i assumed most badge collectors as well?) the other badge shown in that mentioned article, the red badge marked M1/52, and i have no problems with the M1/52 second version red badge, but i have a problem with every badge marked M1/35. And I have a problem with the orange, green, black, purple, brown and green badges.

    Remember what you are judging on this thread. A very rare badge, that was made for a year or so, right towards the end of the war, for a limited number of people. To think that a badge of this caliber, produced in such small numbers, for such a limited period, by one, or supposedly two, makers, would be available en mass as it is today, is nothing short of naive. It has kept the forgers going though. And now you have a few different colors too.

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    EDIT: Here are links to 2 original Documents that would have gone with the badge, as well as a badge, in red.
    NSKK Urkunde 1
    NSKK Urkunde 2
    Last edited by Jo Rivett; 06-22-2013 at 07:06 PM. Reason: Never enameled :-((((((((

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    Good evening
    I am not a collector of badges but specialized in the nskk.
    The badge KKF is not "rare" as this diploma proves him(it):
    Http: // i42.servimg.com/u/f42/15/22/30/46/kkf11 1.jpg
    about 10000 Urkunden in October, 1944, if only half of the badges was made it would lead us about 5000 badges, it takes away to us many of the rarity...
    " And I have has problem with the orange, green, black, purple, brown and green badges. "
    If you have problems with the green badges, it is because you do not master your subject.
    The diploma which I presented you is for a licence "Klasse 3"
    You will notice that the word " Verleihungs-Urkunde " is red as the color of the badge. For diplomas "Klasse IV" the word is written in green, as the paint(painting) of the badge.
    This badge existed only in 2 colors: red and green.
    Cheers

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    Sorry, the link didn't work; this is better
    Greatings

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    Default no enamel versions ?

    Quote by Guymauve View Post
    If you have problems with the green badges, it is because you do not master your subject.
    Thats not very nice.

    It would be really great if you have some solid, period, documented proof that there were two colored versions of this badge, and some evidence that the red badge was for Klasse 3 and the green for Klasse 4.

    You are not talking about a red badge made by one maker, and a green badge by another, you are talking about the exact same badge, in shape size and design. The only differences we find are that on red badges, the mark is M1/52, and on the green badges it is M1/35. No that is not as confusing as it sounds, in all reality IF two versions of this badge were needed, then why make two sets of identical working dies, for different makers, who are in reality making the exact same badge, which was only needed in an extremely low quantity! Surely IF there was a need for some to be painted green, then why not just have one maker, Deschler, make them all, and paint half of them green? Because thats the only difference, the color. This was late war period, a time of harsh rationing, surely the easiest rout was taken to save materials. Even if we were talking about 100,000 badges, in zinc, that could easily have been done by one maker in a day or two, but we are not talking about that many.

    Is there a green version marked with M1/52? or more solid info from anyone on the distinction between Klasse 3 and Klasse 4, as well as what these klasse were for, and if there were any others.

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