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Rare hitler youth badge?

Article about: I think this could be a rare Hitler youth badge, on the reverse is BM 1/122 and a circle with RZM, help needed.

  1. #11


    Kenny has done his homework. It looks like the maker "BM" did, Possibly,exist but is only known by a specimen or 2 in high end collections. Chances are then very slim that this is another.
    Personally, I have to agree. I don't care for the posted badge. The metal looks to be almost solid brass and the hardware looks newer than it should after 70+ years of age. This one looks to my eyes to be an aged fake.

    "Much that once was, is lost. For none now live who remember it."

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  3. #12


    That particular spot may be an area of deterioration/damage(?)...but I can't be sure with these photos...I recall a thread where Wilhelm Saris -I believe it was- explains the BM markings ... I had gotten it mixed up with "B" Stuecke (replacement B-Pieces)...
    The reverse pin-plate/needle is seen on period badges as well, including several Deschler Badges in my collection...and condition isn't necessarily an age-issue, it's a storage-issue...
    Personally, I've never held one of these in hand, but I'm intrigued and like a good mystery along with the education, lol...
    cheers, Glenn

  4. #13


    From what I've gathered there is nothing backing up even the 250 or so produced/awarded theory (except for a post war book quote that has apparently been repeated until accepted as fact). It appears there's actually more substance to a figure about 1/10th of that... meaning; as if it wouldn't have been exceedingly rare already with 250 (approx.) produced and/or awarded, what would you say to the more credible and apparently actually substantiated number of 25-30 produced/awarded and how does that make badges marked with a maker already labeled dubious look in the first place?

    Doing a simple google search I easily found another like this one, with the same attachment and markings, on some rubbish site, marked down from over $5000 to $1000 with a best offer option... wouldn't logic dictate that a badge produced in such low numbers would AT LEAST fetch more than a Golden Party Badge, an award produced in the tens of thousands?

    That said; never held or owned one--- seems few ever have, actually.

  5. #14


    Quote by sitges1990 View Post
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    I think this might have a chance. The fuzzy rear photos don't help, and I don't know what's going on in the highlighted area. I'd not heard these were bad markings.
    What I am seeing in the highlighted area under full magnification is an area of gold wash that has not been worn away. Matches areas on the back. Possible???? Bob

  6. #15


    Appears there are updated numbers out there:

    Source :Golden HJ Honour Badge with Oak leaves. (known recipients) - Hitler Youth Militaria Collector Forum

    With Oak leaves, Diamonds and Rubies [Marked only with Gold content-stamp 585 / also known personalized]
    3 Known Recipients: (7 badges are known to exist)
    Adolf Hitler - Hermann Historica
    Baldur von Schirach
    Henriette von Schirach

    With Oak leaves in Solid Gold [Marked only with Gold content-stamp 585 / also known personalized]

    59 Known Recipients (list last updated 28.9.2014):

    Amann, Max. SS-Obergruppenführer u. Reichsleiter
    Axmann, Artur. Reichsjugendführer
    Baumbach, Werner. Major
    Berger, Gottlob. SS-Obergruppenführer , 30.01.1944
    Blaschke Hugo Dr. SS-Brigadeführer Professor
    Blaschke, Hans. HJ-Hauptbannführer1 and2 22.10.1943
    Blaschke, Johann. SS-Brigadeführer
    Blomquist, Willi. HJ-Gebietsführer
    Bouhler, Philipp. SS-Obergruppenführer u. Reichsleiter
    Bracht, Fritz. Gauleiter
    Brenner, Karl Heinrich. SS-Gruppenführer
    Buch, Walter SS-Obergruppenführer u. Reichseiter
    Bürkner-Mohr , Trude. Reichsrefer entin des BDM von 1934 bis 1937 14.1.19415
    Cerff, Karl. SS-Brigadeführer
    Darre, Richard Walther. Reichsleiter
    Dorpmüller, Julius. Reichsminister
    Eggeling, Joachim. Gauleiter
    Fick, Jakob. SS-Standartenführer
    Florian, Karl. Gauleiter
    Frank, Karl Hermann. SS-Obergruppenführer , 15.03.1939
    Frick, Wilhelm. Reichsminister
    Funk, Walther. Reichsminister
    Greiser, Arthur. SS-Obergruppenführer und Gauleiter
    Ganzenmüller, Albert Dr. Staatssekretär
    Hanke, Karl. SS-Obergruppenführer u. Gauleiter
    Himmler, Heinrich. Reichsführer-SS
    Hörnlein, Walter. Generalleutnant
    Jury, Hugo. SS-Obergruppenführer u. Gauleiter1
    Klagges, Dietrich. SS-Obergruppenführer
    Klein, Emil. HJ-Obergebietsführer
    Koch, Erich. Reichskommissar
    Kohlmeyer, Wilhelm. HJ-Gebietsführer
    Lutz, Graf von Schwerin-Krosigk Reichsminister
    Lauterbacher, Hartmann. SS-Obergruppenführer u. Gauleiter , 26.05.19331
    Ley, Robert. Reichsleiter
    Lohse, Rudolf. SS-Brigadeführer
    Meyer, Dr. Alfred. Gauleiter 13.10.1938
    Miegel, Agnes. Schriftstellerin und Dichterin 1939 [Original sold by Hermann Historica May 07/08, 2004 for €9400.-
    Manteuffel, Hasso von. General der Panzertruppe [Original Award document sold by Hermann Historica 15.10 2010 for €4200.-
    Möckel, Helmut. Stabschef der HJ
    Ohnesorge, Wilhelm. Reichsminister
    Pranz, Erna. BdM-Obergauführerin
    Rainer, Friedrich. Gauleiter Salzburg8 28.06.1941
    Reinecke, Hermann. General der Infanterie
    Reitsch, Hanna. [Sold in 2006 for €6,900.- view here / Sold again in 2009 for €5,100.-
    Rosenberg, Alfred Dr. Reichsminister
    Sauckel, Fritz. Generalbevollmächtigter für den Arbeitseinsatz
    Scheel, Dr. Gustav-Adolf. SS-Obergruppenführer u. Gauleiter
    Schirach, Baldur von. Reichsjugendführer
    Schwarz, Franz Xaver. SS-Oberstgruppenführer und Reichsleiter
    Schmundt, Rudolf. General der Infanterie
    Seyss-Inquart Arthur Dr. SS-Obergruppenführer und Reichskommissar
    Simon, Gustav. Gauleiter
    Speer, Albert. Prof. Reichsminister
    Sporrenberg, Josef. SS-Gruppenführer
    Tschammer und Osten, Hans von. SA-Obergruppenführer
    Todt, Dr. Fritz. Reichsminister
    Trotha, Adolf von. Admiral , 1.3.19384
    Wächtler, Fritz. SS-Obergruppenführer und Gauleiter

    But no matter a somewhat higher number; how many actually survived and what quality would such a high ranking award be produced in? Would it linger online at $1000 with a best offer option like that other BM marked badge? I think not.

  7. #16


    I'm surprised to see Hasso von Manteuffel on the list...along with several other notables of advanced age...

  8. #17

    Default Hitler Youth gold honour badge more pictures?

    I have put more photos of the badge in the hope I can get more information ,the badge was bought with 4 others as a job lot ,the other badges are genuine and this was included with them.Click image for larger version. 

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  9. #18


    still need help

  10. #19


    I did some research and discovered that the BM/122 Mark is indeed Correct for this Badge...
    cheers, Glenn

  11. #20


    thanks for your help,how rare is it?

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