Real or fake armband

[youthcollector1]

Sorry, its just how I was raised. Oh, and trust me I'm sure I have just as much, if not more to learn as you. Happy collecting!

*Infact, HPL taugh me recently that early black allgemeine NCO tunics were piped with white piping. Thanks again for that btw.

[Friedrich-Berthold]

If the armband would be a good one, here some information about armbands with stripes:

According to "Das Dienstbuch der NSDAP (Hitlerbewegung) Österreich", dated March 1, 1932
the brassard with two stripes is for the rank/function of Gau-Geschäftsführer, Gau-Amtswalter or
Amtswalter der Landesleitung when there is no Rosette included upon the middle of the swastika.
The stripes should have a width of 1.0 cm.
During the course of 1932 new insignia were introduced and the brassard with the various stripes were cancelled.
In the new regulations this type of brassard was no longer mentioned!

For the good order: Ortsgruppenleiter did wear a brassard with one 0.5 cm wide middle stripe. No Rosette.

For those interested here is the complete list:
Members for the Reichsleitung: 3 silver stripes with a width of 1.0 cm. No Rosette.
PS: It is practically sure this type of brassard was in Germany also in use by the Reichsinspekteur and persons such as
Geschäftsführer and Amtsleiter;

Landesleiter: 2 silver stripes with a width of 1.0 cm and 1 silver stripe of 0.5 cm. Rosette included, positioned upon the middle
of the swastika legs
Landesgeschäftsführer: ibid, but no Rosette
Amtsleiter der Landesleitung: ibid
PS. In Germany this level did not exist. It is practically sure this type of brassard was in Germany also in use by: Landesinspekteur;

Gauleiter: 2 silver stripes with a width of 1.0 cm. Rosette included.
Gau-Geschäftsführer: ibid, but no Rosette
Gau-Amtswalter: ibid
Amtswalter (der Landesleitung): ibid;

Bezirksleiter: 1 silver stripe with a widt of 1.0 cm. Rosette included
Bezirks-Geschäftsführer: ibid, but no Rosette
Bezirks-Amtsleiter : ibid
Gau-Amtswalter : ibid
PS: In Germany a Bezirk was known as Kreis;

Ortsgruppenleiter: 1 silver stripe with a width of 0.5 cm. Rosette included
Bezirks-Amtswalter: ibid, no Rosette included
Bezirks-Geschäftsführer-Kassenwart: ibid
Ortsgruppen-Schriftwart : ibid
Ortsgruppen-Propagandawart: ibid
Stützpunktleiter: ibid
Zellenleiter, politisch: ibid

Abgeordneter des Reichstages, Nationalrat, Bundesrat or Landtag: 2 golden stripes with a width of 1.0 cm. No Rosette included
Fraktionsführer: ibid, but with Rosette;

Gemeinderäte und Mitglieder von Gemeindenvorständen 1 golden stripe with a width of 1.0 cm. No Rosette included
Franktionsführer: ibid, but with Rosette.

Hope it helps in the future with identifying armbands with stripes and rosettes. So, it is pure political with a function!

Thank you for an excellent and informative post of great merit.

[Norku32]

I must admit this information was to be found for quite a while at the HJ-forum (since September 17, 2012).
There I also showed some drawings from the Dienstbuch from Austria, as well as a part of text, related to the SA-reserve armband.

What kind of armband is this? - Hitler Youth Forum - Page 2

Maybe the link does not work, but have a look at the thread: What kind of armband is this?
started by Holzwurm on September 12, 2012.

I fixed that link cos yours had ".htmlt" at the end. Like the others, thanks for the information.

[jimm]

The Armband if it was original is an NSDAP leader - Early style Kreis level armband. But the stripes are way too close together , however the swastika looks like it's multi construction which would be correct for this early style of armband.

[KMMorris]

Jimm this thread is a year old, I think the armband may have passed .

[youthcollector1]

The Armband if it was original is an NSDAP leader - Early style Kreis level armband. But the stripes are way too close together , however the swastika looks like it's multi construction which would be correct for this early style of armband.

All the fake examples of these early armbands from ca.32'-35', I think, which I've encountered are produced with multi-piece construction. What separates them from the originals is the roundel is much too small and the white stripes are done with a inaccurate weave. There are several other signs of a forgery but I will not elaborate as it will only help the fakers. Authentic examples are über rare and to date I've yet seen a copy that even comes close to a real one.
Anyways, there's no way the above armband is authentic and I hope the O.P passed on it.

[BOB COLEMAN]

Armband is a total fake. Years ago, these were sold on Ebay from numerous sellers. Don't glow and are fairly well made. They pop up several times a year on the Forum and never a one is good. In my many years of collecting, I have only ever encountered one genuine example.

[Walkwolf]

The photo alone would be incentive to pass on these items, everything artistically
arranged on what appears to be the end of an ironing board.

Regards
Brett

Lol - with the potential "good stuff" way in back.........!

[Friedrich-Berthold]

Armband is a total fake. Years ago, these were sold on Ebay from numerous sellers. Don't glow and are fairly well made. They pop up several times a year on the Forum and never a one is good. In my many years of collecting, I have only ever encountered one genuine example.

The voice of authority.
May I ask why this item is even in the SS section at all?

[youthcollector1]

Quite possibly because of Wikipedia. When I first discovered these fakes, prior to joining these fora, the only information I could find about them was under early SS uniforms 1925-1928 in this link below. They incorrectly, I think, state that these armbands are part of the early SS uniform.
Uniforms and insignia of the Schutzstaffel - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

A excerpt from the Wikipedia page;
"The early rank system of 1926 consisted of a swastika armband worn with white stripes, with the number of stripes determining the rank of the bearer. Thus, the very first SS rank system was as follows:
Reichsführer ("national leader"): three stripes
Gauführer ("district leader"): two stripes
Staffelführer ("squadron leader"): one stripe
Mann ("trooper"): no stripes" - Wikipedia.