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SA/SS Gorget "83"

Article about: Hello, need info about the gorget below please RZM 83 maked Some body could he perhaps tell the maker and making year ? I see nothing wrong with this item, but this markings are not seen oft

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    Very impressive! Here is my RZM 21 SA gorget. These gorgets with the 21 MM are pretty hard to find.
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    Nice Paul Meybauer from Berlin-Waidmannslust SA-gorget.
    It is great to see the disc with manufacturer's number.
    "Wir sollen auch unser Leben für die Brüder lassen" (1.Joh.3.16):
    zum Gedächtnis Wilhelm Schenk. Er starb fürs Vaterland am 13. Juni 1916

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    Thank you Wilhelm, do you know the time frame that my gorget was made?

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    As far as I could find out, this must have been since 1936 anyway (not before),
    possibly even since 1937.
    It is very remakable that gorgets not ever were described in the RZM regulations
    and manufacturer's instructions. What also interesting is to mention is, that in
    price-lists for the SS nr. 820 from 1938 it was described as Brustschild für den
    Standartenträger
    , which is the DE and not as Brustschild für Fahnenträger
    (Kornett)
    , as was done for the SA.
    This could mean there is a difference for the heart-shaped gorget (silver in contrary
    to a golden colored starburst). I am pretty sure it otherwise would have been described
    as SA/SS Fahnenträger-Brustschild. A silver version was observed and the one or the
    other was shown in my book. Maybe this silver version came into being when in 1938
    the kidney shaped gorget was introduced. This is still a mistery.
    "Wir sollen auch unser Leben für die Brüder lassen" (1.Joh.3.16):
    zum Gedächtnis Wilhelm Schenk. Er starb fürs Vaterland am 13. Juni 1916

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    Thank you for the information it's much appreciated. I think to date, I have only seen a few marked 21 like my example.

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    Yes that's true. The most with a disc, I have seen, did not have a number
    within the disc at all. With these one can only speculate who made them
    or they can have number 87 upon the tang (Karoline Gahr from Munich)
    and the RZM disc beneath the tang.
    "Wir sollen auch unser Leben für die Brüder lassen" (1.Joh.3.16):
    zum Gedächtnis Wilhelm Schenk. Er starb fürs Vaterland am 13. Juni 1916

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