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Two Small Items; Please Help ID Them

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    These two pins came to me some time ago, together with other stuff...I have no idea what they mean or represent.

    The first one is about the size of a dime; the pin is about 2" long, with 3/4" of that diagonally grooved.

    The second is 1 1/4" long by 9/16" wide.

    Both look to be genuine; they are finely crafted.

    Any assistance will be of high value, and gratefully acknowledged.

    Thanks for looking!

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    The one with the sword is an NSKOV (veteran's organization) membership pin. In my opinion, it is genuine. The other is an NSV (welfare organization) stickpin, which I also believe to be genuine. Please wait for other opinions, though, as I am new at collecting.

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    Erno is 100% correct...both have also been cleaned within an edge of their lives.

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    As I am also new to these items, and wish to learn; what are the indicators of the aggressive cleaning you suspect?

    Viewing them with a glass, I get the same image you see in my post...I see no abrasive evidence, nor he usual polishing material residue.

    I'm puzzled by your assessment.

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    Quote by wlwhittier View Post
    As I am also new to these items, and wish to learn; what are the indicators of the aggressive cleaning you suspect?

    Viewing them with a glass, I get the same image you see in my post...I see no abrasive evidence, nor he usual polishing material residue.

    I'm puzzled by your assessment.
    Patination occurs naturally on just about anything, even where tarnish isn't present ("patina" and "tarnish" (oxidation) are not the same thing). When something is improperly cleaned, especially something made of metal, the original patina is removed and the result looks unnatural. Compare your pins to some other examples shown online, and you will notice a difference.

    As an example, take a look at this coin:

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    (from Coin Value | German States Baden 2 and 5 Marks 1875 to 1902)

    Notice how the one on the right appears unnatural in comparison to the one on the left.

    Sometimes evidence of improper cleaning isn't very apparent, but it always visible under very strong magnification. In extreme cases, it will manifest as small scratches that are visible with the naked eye. Other times, the damage itself will show only under extreme scrutiny, but the fact that the object has been cleaned will almost always show at a glance. It's hard to say exactly how to tell that something has been cleaned, because it's quite subjective and dependent upon one's own experience. I have been an occasional coin collector for many years, and when a coin has been cleaned, it is plain to see but very difficult to explain to someone else. Put simply, it just looks unnatural. The same is true of medals, pins, badges and just about any other metal objects that are susceptible to well-intentioned but harmful alterations.

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    Here is an original untouched NSV membership pin. You'll notice the nice smooth finish and not a bunch of scratches on the high points like the one that you have posted.

    Take a look at some originals and you will quickly be able to see that both of these pieces have been heavily cleaned. They probably had rust on them and the seller cleaned them to make them more attractive...but in reality it does more harm.
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    Good enough explanation. I'll put 'em away and move on to other treasures.

    Some will probably show here in WTF, eventually.

    Thanks, all!

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    "The other is an NSV (welfare organization) stickpin..."

    Can anyone give me the name of the welfare organization that goes with the NSV initials/logo?

    Thanks!

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    Quote by wlwhittier View Post
    "The other is an NSV (welfare organization) stickpin..."

    Can anyone give me the name of the welfare organization that goes with the NSV initials/logo?
    NSV = Nationalsozialistische Volkswohlfahrt [National Socialist People's Welfare]

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