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11-23-2017 02:09 PM
# ADS
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Thanks Brian,
I am aware of writings like this. And also am aware of the mentioned dates
in these publications.
According to my information we practically can standardize all of this to
specific dates of the first official mentioning and then the eventual change.
You can pin down it to about ten months (July 1932 op through May 1933).
Photo from volume 3 of the headgear-series. The Gardelitze was first
officially mentioned. This cord-system was not ever covered in uniform-
regulations and may pre-date the Litze or is simply a manufacturers-
variation.
There is always an eventual BUT. This is caused by the "provisional" wearing
of new insignia. And by that it is often difficult to say: yes or no or maybe!
Provisional wearing makes this hobby so difficult
The shown colored plate from post 2 with the figure is from "Uniformfibel"
from December 1933, but it was in some ways re-constructed partly.
"Uniformfibel" does show the two oak-leaves for Reichsorganisationsleiter,
but this was actually introduced in August 2, 1932 (upon a crimson backing).
I do
Last edited by Wilhelm Saris; 11-23-2017 at 05:54 PM.
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For a forum-friend I made a survey, the development for the political leaders
ranking system from 1931 through 1936. Some passages of the survey I will
not withhold to WRF members. The complete survey is too long to post, sorry!
With the “Entwurf der Dienst-Vorschrift der PO” from July 15, 1932 a new system was planned and came in force.
The difference between SA and PO was now an official fact. All former orders were suspended. The Landes- and
Reichs-Inspektionen had to confirm with the date October 1, 1932 if the regulation was to be agreed or where
and when changes had to be made.
With this regulation (pages 50 through 55) collar-patches with indications were a fact (there were other indications
for specific ranks as well, as for example: various forms of chevrons for the left lower arm, a worn diamond in a
specific form for the left upper arm or the so-called Verdienstabzeichen, which was a small piece of black cloth with
a year-indication. These are not included here).
Before July 1932 political leaders were recognizable by a number of armbands with stripes, eventually with a rosette.
The “Dienstbuch der NSDAP” from March 1932 (which in fact was valid since 1931)
mentions the worn ranking-insignia, shown at the armband (see image).
A Gauleiter did wear a swastika armband with two 10.0 mm silver stripes, but no rosette
With the regulation from July 15, 1932 the sign of recognition for a Gauleiter changed.
Gauleiter: one golden Gardelitze upon a red collar-patch.
The further development:
In the course of late spring 1932 they started with a re-organization of the PO, for example the Organisationsleitung I and II
were combined into the Reichsorganisationsleitung. With an order from August 2, 1932 the Reichsorganisationsleiter was
allowed to wear two golden oak-leaves upon a crimson backing collar-patch.
This was published in the Verordnungsblatt der Reichsleitung der NSDAP (further as Vbl.), nr.2 from August 15, 1932:
auf dem Hemdkragen auf karmesinrotem Grund zwei goldene Eichenlaub. The July 1932-regulation was largely a fact in
October of that year.
Maybe an interesting fact should be noted, especially for collectors. With an announcement of November 15, 1932
(Vbl. 35 - November 30, 1932) it was mentioned that various Amtswalterabzeichen were being faked. The publication
literally says: various insignia are already being reproduced by dealers and by this gefälscht. Yes, you read this well:
faked in 1932. I can tell about numerous publications about faking material throught the years. And so I would say:
who cares what you have. It might be an old pre-1945 fake!
With an order from Ley from May 12, 1933 (Vbl.47 - from May 15, 1933) a Gauleiter were allowed to wear the ranking-insignia
for the Reichsinspekteur (two golden Gardelitzen).
With an order from June 2, 1933 (Vbl.48 - May 31, 1933) the name “Amtsleiter der NSDAP” was changed into “Reichsleiter”
and did then form the Oberste Reichsleitung.
With an order from September 28, 1933 one can say the uniform and the ranking-system were final (this was after the RPT -
Anordnung Vbl.57 - from October 15, 1933**). With a decree from January 20, 1934 (Vbl.64 - from January 31, 1934.
Pages 141 and 142: Der Dienstanzug der PO-Leiter) Hitler sanctioned the “final” PO uniform. Wearing was granted.
The ranking system for a Gauleiter was as:
Gauleitung:
Gauleiter (red collar-patches with double embroidered oak-leaf).
** here one should note that it is seen that during the Reichsparteitag from 1933
Gauleiter already did wear the system, which became a true fact in early 1934.
With this one can see how difficult it is to sometimes date a photograph.
Note that the Gardelitzen had to be embroidered. This was specifically mentioned. With an April 13, 1934 order from Ley
it was noted what were old ranking-insignia. All of this had to be removed. For the time being it was allowed to wear the old
uniform avoid of the new ranking-system. This was also valid for the new uniform (Vbl.70 - from end of April 1934: 5/34,
Veraltete Rangabzeichen).
From this moment on - 1936 - most of it was arranged with the “Organisationsbuch der NSDAP” and a period of “rest”,
related to the uniform, set in! 1939 brought news when a new uniform was introduced with order 9/39 from April 2, 1939
and the system of ranking insignia changed with that (Dienstrang- und Dienststellung – rank by collar-patches and function
by the new form of armbands:
Vbl. 193 – from the end of May 1939: Hitler-order 8/39), also Unterrichtstafel der NSDAP, Nr.3 from
the Reichsorganisationsleiter der NSDAP – Hauptorganisationsamt and the Organisationsbuch der NSDAP from 1940, page 21
as well as pages 27a through 27c and plates 18 through 24. The new system for rank and function was a fact per June 1, 1939
(Vbl. – 194 from mid-June 1939).
Maybe this development is of some help, but there is much more to tell,
due to the forming of new functions between 1934 and 1936!
Last edited by Wilhelm Saris; 11-24-2017 at 02:18 PM.
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Awesome explanation Wim. Thanks once more for taking the time to share your wealth of knowledge and resources! Kindest regards.
Brian
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Apologies for double posting, however the resolution of my above image was not uploaded to its proper resolution, and I do not seem to have the ability to edit my post. (Perhaps I may not be able to see it, as some of the options, such as "Quote", and "Multi-Quote" are in a subdued font-colour. None the less, I've uploaded the image to my Flickr where the pages are shown in 1600×1200 resolution.
https://c1.staticflickr.com/5/4210/3...f7be9e01_h.jpg
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