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Clemens armband opinions please

Article about: Bob and Steve and have seen far more examples of these than I have, so I would go with their assesment Asker. I really didn't know about the stamp. If Bob says it's a one looker 4th Reich pi

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    Bob and Steve and have seen far more examples of these than I have, so I would go with their assesment Asker. I really didn't know about the stamp. If Bob says it's a one looker 4th Reich piece, you have a definitive answer. Bob and Steve, you've never seen a period band where the swas was sewn through the rondal and band? I'm not questioning you guys, just wondering.

    Jay
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    Quote by sitges1990 View Post
    Bob and Steve and have seen far more examples of these than I have, so I would go with their assesment Asker. I really didn't know about the stamp. If Bob says it's a one looker 4th Reich piece, you have a definitive answer. Bob and Steve, you've never seen a period band where the swas was sewn through the rondal and band? I'm not questioning you guys, just wondering.

    Jay
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    As Bob said and I trust his judgement implicitly 4th reich.

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    Jay-
    I have never seen an armband constructed in this manner. Clemens Wagner was a period manufacturer of hats, not insignia. Send it back.
    BOB

    LIFE'S LOSERS NEVER LEARN FROM THE ERROR OF THEIR WAYS.

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    Thanks for the Lesson guys. Learning a lot from this forum!

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    What you guys think, how a factory will become a new contract for armbands? You have to offer a price and a SAMPLE to the RZM!
    Nobody would make the work to produce a fake armband and stamp it with a hat-maker-stamp! You would stamp it with a RZM-Stamp or tag. So it would be much more easy to sell in the market.
    In my opinion it could be a sample-armband.

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    Quote by debbi082009 View Post
    What you guys think, how a factory will become a new contract for armbands? You have to offer a price and a SAMPLE to the RZM!
    Nobody would make the work to produce a fake armband and stamp it with a hat-maker-stamp! You would stamp it with a RZM-Stamp or tag. So it would be much more easy to sell in the market.
    In my opinion it could be a sample-armband.
    Any item submited to RZM for approval would have metal seals attached to it along with a seperate tag describing the item. A stamp on the item itself would be considered a part of how the item would be manufactured. The kampfbinde is definitely not a manufacturer's sample. As I previously mentioned, items manufactured under the jurisdiction of RZM were only allowed to identify the maker by his RZM code, never by name.
    BOB

    LIFE'S LOSERS NEVER LEARN FROM THE ERROR OF THEIR WAYS.

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    i cant see the attachments,,,all i get is invalid attachment,,but based on the description and comments,,,i believe it to be a repro or an outright fake

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    BOB

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    Thanks Steve and Bob for the follow-up. Oh believe me, not a chance I would doubt Bob's opinion! That would be a life's loser lesson.

    Jay

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    Quote by sitges1990 View Post
    Thanks Steve and Bob for the follow-up. Oh believe me, not a chance I would doubt Bob's opinion! That would be a life's loser lesson.

    Jay
    Jay-
    For me, life is a continuing search for knowledge. There is more in this hobby that I do not know than what I do. I try to address things of which I have some knowledge and try to avoid guess work.
    BOB

    LIFE'S LOSERS NEVER LEARN FROM THE ERROR OF THEIR WAYS.

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