Become our sponsor and display your banner here
Page 5 of 6 FirstFirst 123456 LastLast
Results 41 to 50 of 56

Parteiabzeichen der NSDAP, RZM M1/93, Gottlieb Friedrich Keck

Article about: ....#2

  1. #41

    Default Re: Parteiabzeichen der NSDAP, RZM M1/93, Gottlieb Friedrich Keck

    Quote by Adrian Stevenson View Post
    Sorry Steve, but I would agree with Tom.
    Gee, the enameling on the M1/129 looked quite convincing to me too.

  2. # ADS
    Circuit advertisement
    Join Date
    Always
    Location
    Advertising world
    Age
    2010
    P
    Many
     

  3. #42

    Default Re: Parteiabzeichen der NSDAP, RZM M1/93, Gottlieb Friedrich Keck

    Quote by Glenn66 View Post
    Gee, the enameling on the M1/129 looked quite convincing to me too.
    The M1/129 RZM license first appears in the RZM regs on Jan 14, 1939 and then disappears shortly thereafter. It is unknown if it was revoked or the company disappeared, but they never appear to have manufactured under this code.

    Nick
    "In all my years as a soldier, I have never seen men fight so hard." - SS Obergruppenfuhrer Wilhelm Bittrich - Arnhem

  4. #43

    Default Re: Parteiabzeichen der NSDAP, RZM M1/93, Gottlieb Friedrich Keck

    Quote by Walkwolf View Post
    I can, Green - but it may take a while !

    I agree it looks very convincing - I bought it 5 or 6 years ago thinking it was original.
    But forgetting the maker, after closer examination, for one thing, the red enamel
    is rather dark and the motto is hard to make out when compared with most
    of the originals shown above.

    I read a long thread on another forum, comments on the 'M1/129' by Jo Rivett.
    It is his opinion that they did not make party badges, and he describes
    a long-time collector seeing a heavy influx of these in the late 60's.
    This fellow owned five, and thought all of them were bogus.

    It is extremely well made - not like 'newer' types, nor is it like the repros
    from the late 70's that I am familiar with. I believe it is likely one from
    the late 60's, as mentioned above, with 40 years of aging.


    It pays to study the nuances of this stuff beforehand.........!
    Pics at your convenience, Steve. The color of the enamel looks perfectly acceptable, imo.

  5. #44

    Default Re: Parteiabzeichen der NSDAP, RZM M1/93, Gottlieb Friedrich Keck

    Forum friends

    As many of you may know, darker enamel was very common place, except it was mostly prior to RZM regulation. I have RZM badges showing orange hues and red hues. Some are also candy apple red while others are black cherry. Each will get posted as pics and some research gets completed. As collectors keep the variants and rarer badges out of circulation, we see RZM pieces more frequently and all badges seem to be compared to them. They are not the same and vary from maker to maker, even during the RZM period. While RZM provided manufacturers with tight manufacturing guidelines, there was enough wiggle room for some variation. M1/90 that I posted shows this in letters A and N touching at the base. Some badges have red enamel spilling over the letters. Without really looking, these details are lost. I am researching two badges by the same maker, from different time periods, and in doing so, I have to learn to use software that is new to me. I was convinced the earlier badge was a fake but under higher magnification, I'm certain it's a wonderful early variant. All of this just means that there are too many things to know and only research time will push the ignorance out!

    I have also learned that one particular die or stencil was shared by multiple manufacturers during the RZM period. I'd like to thank JO for that information and thank him for his website's information that was a "jumping off point" for me.

    Green

  6. #45

    Default Re: Parteiabzeichen der NSDAP, RZM M1/93, Gottlieb Friedrich Keck

    Quote by TIGER88 View Post
    Here is my early example, a piece that I really like...
    Carl
    Great Badge Carl. I like these a lot, as a matter of fact I bought one from Jo and am still awaiting its arrival. They're getting harder to find.....well, real ones anyway.
    Tom
    Attached Images Attached Images  

  7. #46

    Default Re: Parteiabzeichen der NSDAP, RZM M1/93, Gottlieb Friedrich Keck

    I'll see what I can do this week, Green, and thanks for the extra info
    about the darker colour being acceptable. Still a bogus piece
    - I now know - according to the guys, who have never
    seen a legitimate badge from this maker..........

  8. #47

    Default Re: Parteiabzeichen der NSDAP, RZM M1/93, Gottlieb Friedrich Keck

    Quote by Greenhorn View Post
    Forum friends

    As many of you may know, darker enamel was very common place, except it was mostly prior to RZM regulation. I have RZM badges showing orange hues and red hues. Some are also candy apple red while others are black cherry. Each will get posted as pics and some research gets completed. As collectors keep the variants and rarer badges out of circulation, we see RZM pieces more frequently and all badges seem to be compared to them. They are not the same and vary from maker to maker, even during the RZM period. While RZM provided manufacturers with tight manufacturing guidelines, there was enough wiggle room for some variation. M1/90 that I posted shows this in letters A and N touching at the base. Some badges have red enamel spilling over the letters. Without really looking, these details are lost. I am researching two badges by the same maker, from different time periods, and in doing so, I have to learn to use software that is new to me. I was convinced the earlier badge was a fake but under higher magnification, I'm certain it's a wonderful early variant. All of this just means that there are too many things to know and only research time will push the ignorance out!

    I have also learned that one particular die or stencil was shared by multiple manufacturers during the RZM period. I'd like to thank JO for that information and thank him for his website's information that was a "jumping off point" for me.

    Green
    Jo Rivett has certainly done a lot of fantastic research pertaining to these badges as well as other enamel badges of the TR era. He is my "go to" guy when I have questions.
    Tom

  9. #48
    ?

    Default Re: Parteiabzeichen der NSDAP, RZM M1/93, Gottlieb Friedrich Keck

    Thank you Tom,

    It is a fine example. The image of yours that is on its way to you now, shows what a good example will join your collection soon too. Well done, and when it arrives, be sure to show the reverse if you don't mind.

    Regards,

    Carl
    Experienced guide and published author leading detailed study trips to the former KZ sites of Nazi Germany. Contact for further details.

    www.concentrationcamptours.com

    www.concentrationcampmoney.com


    "maka akaŋl oyate maŋi pi ki le, tuweŋi wypeya oki hi sni"

  10. #49

    Default Re: Parteiabzeichen der NSDAP, RZM M1/93, Gottlieb Friedrich Keck

    Thanks Carl. Will do.

    Tom

  11. #50

    Default Re: Parteiabzeichen der NSDAP, RZM M1/93, Gottlieb Friedrich Keck

    Quote by Greenhorn View Post
    Steve, If at all possible, would you supply a few
    more pics, including a side angle to see the degree of "dome".
    Here is a profile pic of the 'M1/129' badge.........
    Click to enlarge the picture Click to enlarge the picture Click image for larger version. 

Name:	P3155811.JPG 
Views:	45 
Size:	86.1 KB 
ID:	320798  
    Regards,


    Steve.

Page 5 of 6 FirstFirst 123456 LastLast

Similar Threads

  1. Parteiabzeichen der NSDAP for review

    In NSDAP Parteiabzeichen forum
    03-03-2012, 02:03 PM
  2. NSDAP Goldenes Parteiabzeichen.

    In NSDAP Parteiabzeichen forum
    02-12-2012, 09:40 PM
  3. NSDAP Goldenes Parteiabzeichen...original or repro?

    In Orders & Decorations of the Third Reich
    05-04-2011, 08:07 AM
  4. NSDAP Parteiabzeichen opinion on being fake?

    In Orders & Decorations of the Third Reich
    03-22-2011, 11:01 AM
  5. EK2 Gottlieb & Wagner

    In 1939 Eisernes Kreuz forum
    09-06-2010, 09:05 AM

Bookmarks

Posting Permissions

  • You may not post new threads
  • You may not post replies
  • You may not post attachments
  • You may not edit your posts
  •