DKiG Zimmerman, Light

**Adrian** · 11-13-2012, 05:48 PM

Terry, are you overseas at the moment?

**Espenlaub Militaria** · 11-13-2012 05:48 PM

We also buy and trade your items and full collections!

**big ned** · 11-13-2012, 05:52 PM

by Tango

Cheers Guys I knew I would get one some day!!! Just a matter of saving lol.. No Christmas now its been cancelled...beans on toast for a few weeks..lol..Ned what one do you have?? Is much difference? Cheers Terry.

Hi Terry,

Mine's a 134 Otto Klein piece. The wreath is, IMO, identical in both Zimmermann 20's and Klein crosses. This is open to conjecture though, for instance, some claim the L/52 marked Zimmermann's are from a different die. Also, die wear, pressure of the strike and slight variations on finish have been cited as for and against this supposition, so it's arguable I guess. Makers were prone to using certain other maufacturers parts by agreement in many cases of various TR awards, a good example seeing we're talking about Deutsche Kreuz's in Gold is the cloth version, where it seems that the gold wreaths on them are all of the Junker design.

A certain couple of differences is a.) The rear set up is completely different on the two awards, and b.) The Klein does not have the 11 o'clock flaw on the sunburst that is seen on all Zimmermann's.

Regarding the impression of the EK on the lid, as I said it's not uncommon that they were stored together, I've seen the same marks before. Remember, to be awarded the Deutsche Kreuz in Gold, the recipient first had to hold the 1939 EK1, or the Spange to the 1914 EK1.

Regards, Ned.

**Woolgar** · 11-13-2012, 05:52 PM

Congrats Terry, what an addition

Beautiful

Nick

**Tango** · 11-13-2012, 06:04 PM

DAN, thats as far as I can push the boat out lol..!!!!
ADRIAN, yep overseas AGAIN I spend half my life overseas...Not Army any more civvie job now...So the pay is a little better lol.& when I get home in December its going to be like Christmas come early..lol...
NED, thanks for the Info I didn't know that about the Ek1 & the DKiG...Always a font of knowledge cheers Terry.
NICK,Thanks for the thumbs up...I can sleep easy knowing I've got your thumbs up lol Cheers Terry.

**Adrian** · 11-13-2012, 08:41 PM

by Tango

ADRIAN, yep overseas AGAIN I spend half my life overseas...

And that's why you bought it. Aly might have cooled down slightly by the time you get back!

Only joking, it's a very nice piece and one to keep and admire.

**Tango** · 11-14-2012, 03:29 AM

Sorry for the delay Adrian , went off to bed...4 hours in front here...lol..Aly is a good girl she isn't bothered providing she gets something too lol....So everything costs double thats why Im skint..... lol.. Cheers Terry.

**gerrit** · 11-14-2012, 08:32 AM

HI Terry,

man you got a great Cross! i wonder who has been so stupid to let go on that beauty!

Enjoy it, just like i did!
Next friday ill be on Skype, same time!

Cheers Ger

**Cameron Stockton** · 11-14-2012, 09:02 AM

Hi

A very nice example of a Deutsche Kreuz. Its even better to have the original case!

Thanks for posting.

Cameron

**navyman** · 11-14-2012, 09:57 AM

Hello Terry,
Lovely medal. Glad I'm not the only one to cancel Christmas, spent the money on a WW1 Luger!
Happy beans on toast,
Best regards,
Guy.

**Tango** · 11-14-2012, 12:23 PM

Guy like the look of that Luger I'm after 1 myself sometime!!!..but that will have to wait a while...I think Im going to treat myself today & have beans on toast with cheese... Cheers Terry.