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Heer Schützenschnur - Grade 5

Article about: I received a tip on this lanyard coming up for sale by Ralph (many thanks for the kind heads up Ralph!) and picked it up. Unreal how fast it got here. As I understand it, there were two vari

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    Will have a look, Fred. Maybe I have overseen things!
    Possibly the swords within a wreath and over the wreath?
    Last edited by Wilhelm Saris; 03-02-2016 at 09:30 AM.
    "Wir sollen auch unser Leben für die Brüder lassen" (1.Joh.3.16):
    zum Gedächtnis Wilhelm Schenk. Er starb fürs Vaterland am 13. Juni 1916

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    Normally I can give answers, but this time I do have a question:

    We all know the shield-form for the lowest grades (1 through 4)
    was changed into another version. Can somebody help me with
    the offical order for the changing, please!

    And can someone tell me the difference for the swords within
    the wreath and the form where the swords are being positioned
    over the wreath? I am curious to know and eagerly would like to
    upgrade my knowledge about this subject!
    Last edited by Wilhelm Saris; 03-03-2016 at 01:15 PM.
    "Wir sollen auch unser Leben für die Brüder lassen" (1.Joh.3.16):
    zum Gedächtnis Wilhelm Schenk. Er starb fürs Vaterland am 13. Juni 1916

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    Hello,

    From "BULLS-EYE" by Neil Stewart and Tim Curley.

    Fred

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    Thanks Fred, but his is a current work.
    I am looking for information which was published before the end of the war!
    "Wir sollen auch unser Leben für die Brüder lassen" (1.Joh.3.16):
    zum Gedächtnis Wilhelm Schenk. Er starb fürs Vaterland am 13. Juni 1916

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    Quote by Fred Green View Post
    Hello,

    From "BULLS-EYE" by Neil Stewart and Tim Curley.

    Fred

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    Here is a link I found sometime back:

    C:\Websites\deutschesoldaten.com\uniforms\lanyard. htm

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    Thanks weller, knew this website, but it is neither what I was looking for.
    I am looking for specific information about the badge with swords within
    the oakleave wreath! Best would be an old and period-cataloque showing
    this version!`

    I was confused with the text in a 1939-cataloque as from Friedrich Linden.
    Their text says the old pattern badge was revised into a new form, but
    actually they mentioned the use for the version for the grades 5-8. They
    gave it a new article-number, but showed the oakleaves with the sword on
    top of the oakleaves. I have to blame Friedrich Linden for my confusion
    (or I did not look well).
    It is obvious one cannot always believe what in catalogues is said. Is it
    correct Fred when I say post 5 from weller shows a grade 4 with new pattern
    device; post 7 also a grade 4, but the old pattern device!

    I found a wartime plate for the army in my files where it is said:
    Grade 1 - 4: a simple oakleaf wreath (einfachem Eichenlaubkranz);
    Grade 5 - 8: oakleaf wreath (the word "einfach" was not included here).
    "Wir sollen auch unser Leben für die Brüder lassen" (1.Joh.3.16):
    zum Gedächtnis Wilhelm Schenk. Er starb fürs Vaterland am 13. Juni 1916

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    Hello Wilhelm,

    Is it
    correct Fred when I say post 5 from weller shows a grade 4 with new pattern
    device; post 7 also a grade 4, but the old pattern device!

    It is correct.

    Fred

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    So, I have two Grade = 4 examples. Post #7 is 1st pattern. Post #5 is 2nd pattern. Avenger's example is Grade = 1 2nd pattern. Correct?

    Also, on the example in Post #5, is this an Artillery example since it has "shells' instead of 'acorns'?

    Thanks to all for your assistance

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