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Heer Schützenschnur - Grade 5

Article about: I received a tip on this lanyard coming up for sale by Ralph (many thanks for the kind heads up Ralph!) and picked it up. Unreal how fast it got here. As I understand it, there were two vari

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    I received a tip on this lanyard coming up for sale from Ralph (many thanks for the kind heads up Ralph!) and picked it up. Unreal how fast it got here.

    As I understand it, there were two variants of design on the the swords/shields/leaves level versions of these lanyards (I believe grades 5 and up). I believe this is the second of the patterns, with the first having larger leaves, acorns, and wider swords.

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    Congrats Scott!
    A nice clean worn example. Glad to have been able to help.
    Ralph.
    Searching for anything relating to, Anton Boos, 934 Stamm. Kp. Pz. Erz. Abt. 7, 3 Kompanie, Panzer-Regiment 2, 16th Panzer-Division (My father)

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    Hello,

    Your schuetzenschnurr is for a grade 1 marksman. It is the second pattern shield for that award. It was used on grades 1-4 The initial shield was just an eagle on a shield shape. Grades 5-8 had a shield with a thicker wreath and larger and more robust swords. Grades 9-12 Used the same thicker wreath but in gold. Nice pick up. Good show Ralph!!

    Fred

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    Fred, you're right. I knew it was a second pattern to something. Now that you mention it, I recall reading about the type one shield being changed to this variant. I guess the thread title needs changed.
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    Nice Heer Schützenschnur there I thought I understood the grading sequence, but after reading Fred's post I'm not sure. Here is my Artillery example I thought was a grade 8, but it is actually a grade 4? Would that be correct - thanks
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    For your convenience. Here the page with text from the 1940 well-known Hettler:

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    The one as shown by Weller = Stufe 8.

    Here another survey with the text from the "Heeres-Verordnungsblatt" with the
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    "Wir sollen auch unser Leben für die Brüder lassen" (1.Joh.3.16):
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    Thank you for the information Mr. Saris. I only have two Schützenschnur, here is the other which I believe matches Stufe 4.
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    Yes, it does. Maybe the second survey is also of some help!

    Here a photo with one of the grades as shown in one of my books:

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    "Wir sollen auch unser Leben für die Brüder lassen" (1.Joh.3.16):
    zum Gedächtnis Wilhelm Schenk. Er starb fürs Vaterland am 13. Juni 1916

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    that's a very nice one.

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    Hello,

    I beg to differ with you! "The one as shown by Weller = Stufe 8" is incorrect. The plate on the schutzenschnurr is the 2nd version plate for the grades 1-4. The next plate used for the awards 5-8 is a more robust plate and in a silver color. The swords extend over the wreath The sword handles are lined and do not have the 2 rivits showing on them.

    The first picture is of the 1st type of shield worn on grades 1-4. Weller, your Schuetzenschnurr has the 2nd type of shield for grades 1-4.

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    This is the Shield for grades 9-12. It is the same plate used on the grade 5-8 except that this is gold colored.
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    Fred

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