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Marine Artillerie Abzeichen (Coastel Badge)

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    Default Marine Artillerie Abzeichen (Coastel Badge)

    Hi,

    Need your opinion(S) for this badge : real or fake?

    Thnx,
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    Hello and welcome to the forum.

    I believe this is an original badge made from zinc by an unknown maker. Examples from this maker are often devoid of the original finish.

    The reverse set up is quite easy to spot as is the off centre swastika, it touches the right hand wing much lower down than the left.

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    The small details on the front of the badge look pretty good (wreath, eagle, base of gun) and the wear on the back looks fairy convincing to me.

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    looks fine.

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    Hi guys,

    First,it is nice original badge.

    The maker is now beleived to be Steinhauer & Luck of Ludenschied.The maker is identified by the reverse set up that can be seen on other known S&L awards and has been discussed on other fora.

    The same set up can be seen on this S&L Hilfskreuzer award that i have.

    Cheers,Martin.
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    Hi Guys,

    Just noticed this thread. As Martin says, all of the variant setups seen on this type of Coastal Artillery badge can be found on other S&L-attributed late war zinc products. Envelopes have been found for S&L's Coastal Artillery badge, albeit empty (attached), and original wartime correspondence from S&L confirms they made a CA badge. In addition these badges are found in the company of marked S&L products on Lüdenscheid souvenir boards and sales cases. The evidence is summarized in a thread on WAF here:
    Coastal Artillery Maker Help - Wehrmacht-Awards.com Militaria Forums

    Best regards,
    ---Norm
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    Interesting to see so many variants in reverse set up all from the same maker. It appears S&L used whatever they had to hand at the time for the reverse set up.

    Is there a timeline for any of these? Obviously they are all zinc so that dates them to the latter part of the war but do we have any indication if one method was early in that time frame or later?

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    Quote by Adrian View Post
    Interesting to see so many variants in reverse set up all from the same maker. It appears S&L used whatever they had to hand at the time for the reverse set up.

    Is there a timeline for any of these? Obviously they are all zinc so that dates them to the latter part of the war but do we have any indication if one method was early in that time frame or later?
    Hi Adrian,

    No, no particular timeline. At least three of those setups appear in the sample boards and sales cases mentioned earlier, from the end of the war and early post-war period. Not to mention that S&L was one of those companies who likely had a lot of leftover stock and a lot of time on their hands, so we we can never rule out a "Souval-like" practise of post-war assembly for the souvenir market.

    Nevertheless, as hobbyists we tend to turn a blind eye to the distinct possibility that a lot of "wartime compatible" S&L zincers have the potential to have been post-war assembly, and generally accept them as "late wartime collectibles", but of course with less value than an early wartime Tombak piece.

    One additional comment though, I think it less likely that the version with the crimped-in hardware was post-war assembled given the sophistication and complexity of that process compared with simple soldering (but who really knows).

    Best regards,
    ---Norm

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    Many thanks for your thoughts Norm.

    It is an interesting side note about S&L continuing to assemble these pieces after the war. Not on a Souval scale obviously but it's down to collectors as individuals on where they draw the line collecting wartime or 'perhaps assembled post war'.

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    Quote by Adrian View Post
    Many thanks for your thoughts Norm.

    It is an interesting side note about S&L continuing to assemble these pieces after the war. Not on a Souval scale obviously but it's down to collectors as individuals on where they draw the line collecting wartime or 'perhaps assembled post war'.
    As a collector of Hilfskreuzer awards,i find it important to have examples of these "postwar" badges in my collection.Especially important on the S&L awards as certain features on the badges helped us determine the differences between period and postwar.
    Not to mention that S&L was one of the premier producers of the 1957 awards.
    I also have,what i consider postwar examples by Souval and Frederich Orth in the collection.

    Regards,Martin.

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