SS-Dienstauszeichnung 4.Stufe (4 Jahre).

**Ziggy Stardust** · 01-05-2013, 01:13 PM

Hello all, may I know your opinion on this medal?
Thank you for your comments:

**Espenlaub Militaria** · 01-05-2013 01:13 PM

We also buy and trade your items and full collections!

**big ned** · 01-05-2013, 02:37 PM

Hi Ziggy,

This looks like an old fake type known as the 'Hybrid' fake or 'Bubble' fake I believe. Standby for other comments.

Ned.

**GEORGE** · 01-05-2013, 03:43 PM

my goodness, this is very good,im pleased there are people here like ned to save us money,i was thinking very nice, thank you ned for saving my blushes.how much money has this forum saved us all? best regards,george

**Ziggy Stardust** · 01-05-2013, 05:30 PM

Ned, thank you a lot..I thought this medal is OK

If this one is fake (and it probably is), so it looks very convincing to me...

**Ziggy Stardust** · 01-05-2013, 06:06 PM

Just got email from the seller with pictures of more service medals he can offer....I have no good feeling when I look at them. IMO all this stuff stinks

What you say?

**Bochmann** · 01-08-2013, 04:51 AM

I am no expert either by any means but I think that you are correct in that these are all fakes.
I do not like the look of any of them and the metal and patination look odd.

**BOB COLEMAN** · 01-08-2013, 05:11 AM

I agree with my colleagues that these are all fakes. Who is offering these items? You will get more feedback on the Orders and Medals Forum so I will move this thread there.

**BOB COLEMAN** · 01-08-2013, 05:18 AM

A genuine example for comparison.

SS-Dienstauszeichnung 4.Stufe (4 Jahre).

**Adrian** · 01-08-2013, 05:38 AM

by big ned

Hi Ziggy,

This looks like an old fake type known as the 'Hybrid' fake or 'Bubble' fake I believe. Standby for other comments.

Ned.

Ned, why is it called the 'hybrid' or 'bubble' fake?

**big ned** · 01-08-2013, 10:26 AM

by Adrian

Ned, why is it called the 'hybrid' or 'bubble' fake?

Hi Adrian,

The name 'Bubble' fake comes from the coarser finish of the background 'stippling' than that seen on originals of the medal, note the differences as shown against the one Bob has posted.
The name 'Hybrid' fake is used because the medal itself shows remarkable similarities in the detailing, lettering & suspension loop to the Deschler types, but the eyelet is in the style of the Petz & Lorenz type SS medals, it's neither one or the other, it's a mix, and therefore bad. This fake first appeared in the 70's and is pretty good for the time as it fooled a lot of collectors and dealers, hence it's re appearance as time (and collectors) move on.

Regards, Ned.