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Odessa medal + docs authentic?

Article about: Hi everyone, just have a medal that would like an opinion on its authenticity. Thanks in advance!

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    You dont need chemicals to make paper older, you can also put it in the oven. After a while it looks like a perfect treasure map.

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    Medal and document are fake

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    This is only a detail, there are others ...
    In the document, observe calligraphy of N

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    Images courtesy of "mondvor" site of a Variation 1:

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    Better scans of the document are needed to make an accurate assessment of its originality, but I have doubts regarding both the medal and document based simply on what I is being shown. If this set were offered to me I would politely pass.

    For comparison purposes, here are some Defense of Odessa documents.

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    Quote by Bill Garvy View Post
    Images courtesy of "mondvor" site:

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    Better scans of the document are needed to make an accurate assessment of its originality, but I have doubts regarding both the medal and document based simply on what I is being shown. If offered to me I would politely pass.

    For comparison purposes, here are some Defense of Odessa documents.

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Name:	Ivan Andreevich Vovdenko, Defense of Odessa.jpg 
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ID:	899016Click image for larger version. 

Name:	Mikhail Grigor’vich Rossoshenko, Defense of Odessa.jpg 
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ID:	899017Click image for larger version. 

Name:	Petr Aleksandrovich Musin, Defense of Odessa.jpg 
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ID:	899018Click image for larger version. 

Name:	Vladimir Stepanovich Kozlov, Defense of Odessa.jpg 
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    Is Mondvor working for you at the current moment, Bill? It hasn't worked for me for a couple of days now.

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    Look the Belgrade topic. You can see brass medals.

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    Aleks, yes the mondvor site is quite accessible.

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    I only have this one.
    Mitrofan Kusmich Shimchenko. 03/07/1952. Issued by the President of the Board of Deputies of Workers Stepanenko.
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    Quote by Bill Garvy View Post

    For comparison purposes, here are some Defense of Odessa documents.

    Click image for larger version. 

Name:	Ivan Andreevich Vovdenko, Defense of Odessa.jpg 
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Size:	331.8 KB 
ID:	899016Click image for larger version. 

Name:	Mikhail Grigor’vich Rossoshenko, Defense of Odessa.jpg 
Views:	23 
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ID:	899017
    Click image for larger version. 

Name:	Petr Aleksandrovich Musin, Defense of Odessa.jpg 
Views:	12 
Size:	337.8 KB 
ID:	899018Click image for larger version. 

Name:	Vladimir Stepanovich Kozlov, Defense of Odessa.jpg 
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Size:	338.6 KB 
ID:	899019
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    Observe N calligraphy

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    Quote by Dom View Post
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    Observe N calligraphy
    Also note that its "signed" by a colonel of an NKVD regiment. Fakers just love to put the initials "NKVD" everywhere.

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    What initially impressed me was the numerical font on the document being quite different from original examples, just saying. . .

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