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    I have what I think is a very nice treat for all you fans of PAB's.

    Two (?) beautiful cupal Assmann & Sohne PAB's (variant 1.3.1). One in bronze and one in silver. For those who don't know, both versions are quite rare and highly desirable. Especially the Silver

    The Bronze is in excellent worn condition with just some minor wear highlighting the underlying copper color. It is also oh so slightly "bent". The silver on the other hand is in mint condition. Just some slight discoloration to silver. I can not tell if it the traditional silver plate or the electroplated version. Maybe someone knows.

    Both weight exactly 12 grams. In line with accepted standards. And both the typical C hook catch and sheet metal hinge. The silver's hinge is set slightly lower and has a puddle of solder to attach the catch (not uncommon I have read).

    Now...for full disclosure...why the "?" at the beginning? The silver could be a zinc version. As there is no visible copper wear I can never be sure but as noted, they both weigh exactly the same and within the accepted standards. I do have a zinc Assmann to compare too and this weighs 18 grams...

    First up is the silver, followed by the bronze.

    Again...thanks to Ned for the advice and research.

    Regards,

    Michael

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    They're both extremely good finds. The silver does appear to be zinc, I must admit. Stewy

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    Thanks Stewy.

    Very difficult to tell for me. Appreciate the feedback and opinion.

    I don't think someone would think this...but I wish it was not in such mint condition. Then I would know for sure!!!
    "Please", Thank You" and proper manners appreciated

    My greatest fear is that one day I will die and my wife will sell my guns for what I told her I paid for them

    "Don't tell me these are investments if you never intend to sell anything" (Quote: Wife)

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    I think we are looking at an as close to mint cupal silver PKA as I've ever seen. Hinge is just fixed lower than normal (whatever normal is). Take a wire brush to it. You'll know then & probably hate me forever. Stewy

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    I was thinking of using a grinder but a wire brush will do just as well!!! LoL.

    Agree. If Cupal, this is book worthy
    "Please", Thank You" and proper manners appreciated

    My greatest fear is that one day I will die and my wife will sell my guns for what I told her I paid for them

    "Don't tell me these are investments if you never intend to sell anything" (Quote: Wife)

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    Hi Michael,

    A great catch!

    Both are beautifully conditioned and highly desirable badges, especially if the silver is cupal, it's too tough to call for sure either way without at least a little "invasive investigation" if all other methods have failed IMO.... BUT, I know you had a great deal on these so it doesn't really matter regarding the price paid, you got a bargain for sure!

    BTW, the bronze badge isn't "bent", we prefer to say "vaulted".....Lol.

    Seeing these has made my week here, thanks for showing!

    Regards, Ned.

    P.S. Again, just my opinion, I think the finish is almost certainly electro plate, due to the almost "white" reverse.
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    Michael,
    You should know better, they should be posted separately.
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    Quote by rbminis View Post
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    You should know better, they should be posted separately.
    Ralph.
    Yeah...but it was so tempting to show them together

    Next time Ralph...promise.
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    My greatest fear is that one day I will die and my wife will sell my guns for what I told her I paid for them

    "Don't tell me these are investments if you never intend to sell anything" (Quote: Wife)

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    Quote by big ned View Post
    Hi Michael,

    A great catch!

    Both are beautifully conditioned and highly desirable badges, especially if the silver is cupal, it's too tough to call for sure either way without at least a little "invasive investigation" if all other methods have failed IMO.... BUT, I know you had a great deal on these so it doesn't really matter regarding the price paid, you got a bargain for sure!

    BTW, the bronze badge isn't "bent", we prefer to say "vaulted".....Lol.

    Seeing these has made my week here, thanks for showing!

    Regards, Ned.

    P.S. Again, just my opinion, I think the finish is almost certainly electro plate, due to the almost "white" reverse.
    Thanks Ned. I'm with you on the finish. I do not think they used electroplate on the Zinc. Correct? In De Bocks book, the electroplate does not seem to tarnish (?) / darken like the silver plate.

    And as far as the bronze being "vaulted". Yes...if he was punched in the chest. The badge is ever so slightly bent outward...LoL

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    "Please", Thank You" and proper manners appreciated

    My greatest fear is that one day I will die and my wife will sell my guns for what I told her I paid for them

    "Don't tell me these are investments if you never intend to sell anything" (Quote: Wife)

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    Ned, I'm with you old mate. I said to Michael in a PM I was fairly sure it was electro plated. My reasoning wasn't nescessarily the reverse. But with the good quality pics provided, you can tell it's not a "wash". I know you understand what I'm on about. Stewy

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