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Panzerkampfabzeichen FLL43 PAB

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    Dear Sirs,

    I'm new to this gorgeous forum. I spent a couple of day reading threads and I like it very much.

    I collect oriental edged weapons as well as european arms before 1850 and yugoslav orders. I like III. reich awards too, but I was never comfortable in investing as there are fakes all around. I do own a couple of pieces thou. So I ve been offered this abzeichen for a swap. I always wanted one of those. To my unexperienced eyes it seems original BUT i will let the experts talk. (I have some concearns about the head of the eagle, and grass details thou )

    Please advise, many thanks!

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    Hi Matej and welcome to the forum. Thank you for posting your badge.

    I think this is an original piece but wait for some of the more experienced guys to comment as these badges aren't my area. There are a few features that match known wartime examples compared to some of the fakes I've seen so it stands a very good chance.

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    Welcome to the Forum!
    cheers, Glenn
    Last edited by bigmacglenn; 01-30-2013 at 03:04 PM.

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    Hmm..looks like hero fake.

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    Quote by Zernifin View Post
    Hmm..looks like hero fake.
    For everyone not familiar with this fake, can you give any more details?

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    Details are in red circle. If it's possible please for better photos of eagle's head.
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    I think I agree with bartek,some details are wishy washy.

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    Quote by Zernifin View Post
    Hmm..looks like hero fake.
    I agree with you old chap. There are slight variants in these fakes as well, due to the die strike, but your point is sound. I've pointed out a couple more errors or rather 'dings' that appear to some extent on these fakes at different times, below. The main flaw to look for is actually only just visible in the O.P's photo of the reverse (deliberately so?), and that is a big flaw on the top of the right wing, so i've added a better pic of that as well.

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    On the obverse side, besides the left track wear, there is pitting on the right wing that i've shown too.

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    The catch plate on top or just below the recess on the badge is also nearly always seen on repro's, whereas on originals the catches are nearly always fitted within them, and often flatwire, not round.

    Regards, Ned.
    'I do not think we can hope for any better thing now.
    We shall stick it out to the end, but we are getting weaker of course, and the end cannot be far.
    It seems a pity, but I do not think I can write more. R. SCOTT.
    Last Entry - For God's sake look after our people.'

    In memory of Capt. Robert Falcon Scott, Edward Wilson, Henry Bowers, Lawrence Oates and Edgar Evans. South Pole Expedition, 30th March 1912.

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    Thank you very much gents! Thanks to you I will let that bird go... You saved me!

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    My apologies for calling this one wrong. The fakes I compared to were the 'blob' types and I missed seeing any of the 'hero' fakes.

    Good call by Bartek to identify it and thanks to Ned for the additional information.

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