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Article about: Here is my Rudolf A. Karneth & Shone, Gablonz PAB. Just thought I would post a few tonight. Sorry the pictures are not great.

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    Here is my Rudolf A. Karneth & Shone, Gablonz PAB. Just thought I would post a few tonight. Sorry the pictures are not great.

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    An original missing most of it's finish with no repairs.
    Congrats!
    These were available in two finishes that I am aware of. Yours appears to have started out with the same finish as the one on the left.
    Ralph.
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    Hi Anzel,

    Your badge is a very early production piece and the finish applied is Brennlack. You can tell it's early by looking closely at the inner wings between the body and the feathers. Your example is perfect, no anomalies. Yet look at Ralph's examples (I hope he doesn't mind me using them as a demo!), the same area has become distorted on both badges, a problem that increased through production of the R.K. PAB until eventually the whole area was obscured.

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    Above, the early production undamaged badge.

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    Ralph's later production badges with the increasingly developing flaw highlighted.

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    The reverse side hinge crimp with the edges that correspond with the evolving flaw on the opposite side.

    This flaw was caused during the method R.K. used of crimping in the reverse hardware, in this case the hinge. Note on Ralph's examples where a curved flaw can be seen on both badges, I've highlighted them both, the one circled being the most prominent. This is the outline of the crimp on the reverse showing through on the obverse side due to the pressure used to crimp the hinge in, and the consequently increased damage it caused to the die over the production period. It's a small but interesting point that most collectors are unaware of, but can be seen perfectly in the pictures above.

    Regards, Ned.
    'I do not think we can hope for any better thing now.
    We shall stick it out to the end, but we are getting weaker of course, and the end cannot be far.
    It seems a pity, but I do not think I can write more. R. SCOTT.
    Last Entry - For God's sake look after our people.'

    In memory of Capt. Robert Falcon Scott, Edward Wilson, Henry Bowers, Lawrence Oates and Edgar Evans. South Pole Expedition, 30th March 1912.

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    Quote by big ned View Post
    Hi Anzel,

    Your badge is a very early production piece and the finish applied is Brennlack. You can tell it's early by looking closely at the inner wings between the body and the feathers. Your example is perfect, no anomalies. Yet look at Ralph's examples (I hope he doesn't mind me using them as a demo!), the same area has become distorted on both badges, a problem that increased through production of the R.K. PAB until eventually the whole area was obscured.

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    Above, the early production undamaged badge.

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    Ralph's later production badges with the increasingly developing flaw highlighted.

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    The reverse side hinge crimp with the edges that correspond with the evolving flaw on the opposite side.

    This flaw was caused during the method R.K. used of crimping in the reverse hardware, in this case the hinge. Note on Ralph's examples where a curved flaw can be seen on both badges, I've highlighted them both, the one circled being the most prominent. This is the outline of the crimp on the reverse showing through on the obverse side due to the pressure used to crimp the hinge in, and the consequently increased damage it caused to the die over the production period. It's a small but interesting point that most collectors are unaware of, but can be seen perfectly in the pictures above.

    Regards, Ned.
    Ned,
    Thank you for sharing your knowledge of the evolution of RK's production process of their PABs. You are a true professor within this hobby of ours.
    Anzel

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    Nice Badge, great Ned

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    Quote by jamoros View Post
    Nice Badge, great Ned
    Please...., just plain Ned is fine.
    'I do not think we can hope for any better thing now.
    We shall stick it out to the end, but we are getting weaker of course, and the end cannot be far.
    It seems a pity, but I do not think I can write more. R. SCOTT.
    Last Entry - For God's sake look after our people.'

    In memory of Capt. Robert Falcon Scott, Edward Wilson, Henry Bowers, Lawrence Oates and Edgar Evans. South Pole Expedition, 30th March 1912.

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    Guess this one is early production
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    Hi Juan,

    In an attempt to answer your PM, a clearer close up picture of the flaw being discussed would really help here for clarity, this is what we're discussing here right? Still, from what little detail that's visible I would say that it's certainly started to develop the flaw, and is not as crisp and defined as Anzel's badge. The 4 diagonal lines look to be getting damaged on this one so no, not particularly early in my opinion.

    Regards, Ned.
    'I do not think we can hope for any better thing now.
    We shall stick it out to the end, but we are getting weaker of course, and the end cannot be far.
    It seems a pity, but I do not think I can write more. R. SCOTT.
    Last Entry - For God's sake look after our people.'

    In memory of Capt. Robert Falcon Scott, Edward Wilson, Henry Bowers, Lawrence Oates and Edgar Evans. South Pole Expedition, 30th March 1912.

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    Thanks Ned, hope this picture helps, Regards, Juan
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    For comparison; here are a few better pictures....
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