KIA Soldaten Paperwork Grouping!!!

**WarCollector2019** · 05-25-2013, 03:10 PM

Good afternoon,

I am pleased to show you this family grouping of paperwork items; these items have only recently been found within an attic. It is a shame that over the years items from this grouping have not been kept together.

I saw this little lot listed as a field post lot but I did spot the Infantry Assault Badge Citation and I managed to buy the lot for £10.00 inc. postage.

I was wondering if anybody could explain the SS connection on the award citation for me please. I did try to translate one letter which is addressed to Karl Hartels wife to explain he has been killed in action in the East. In this letter it does mention that Karl trained with the SS but I was only using Google Translate and it stated to not make sense.

Thank you, Glen.

**Espenlaub Militaria** · 05-25-2013 03:10 PM

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**Adam M** · 05-25-2013, 04:10 PM

Nice find, that is a lot of great history for a tenner

**hucks216** · 05-25-2013, 05:39 PM

The SS related signature is that of Werner Hörnicke who commanded Gren.Rgt 1083. He was born on 9th March 1907 in Dresden and died on 30th April 1982 in Nürnberg. At various times before commanding GR 1083 he held the following positions...
Kdr - SS.Aufkl.Abt.18
Kdr - I./SS-Inf.Rgt.10
Chef - 2./SS-Inf.Rgt.8
Chef - SS-Kradsch.Kp.51

...and he won the Knights Cross while serving with SS-Inf.Rgt 10 (1 SS-Inf.Brigade) on 1st December 1943 - so for just £10 you have bagged yourself a bargain.

**bigmacglenn** · 05-25-2013, 05:50 PM

According to the letter he was killed near an SS Training Camp (Truppenubungsplatz), where he was also buried...
cheers, Glenn

**hucks216** · 05-25-2013, 06:09 PM

KIA in August but looks like the Infanterie Sturmabzeichen was a posthumous issue seeing as it is dated for the November.

EDIT: And having said that I have now seen the note that was sent with it to the family dated for January 1945.

**WarCollector2019** · 05-25-2013, 06:31 PM

Thank you both for the additional information. I really appreciate your help 'hucks' on the SS signature!

Thank you, Glen.

**hucks216** · 05-25-2013, 07:20 PM

Here is some additional information on Werner Hörnicke...

Werner H ö r n i c k e
SS-Obersturmbannführer der Waffen-SS

Born: 09.03.1907 in Dresden / Sachsen.
Died: 30.04.1982 in Nürnberg.

NSDAP-Nr.: 1 377 910 (Joined 01.08.1932)
SS-Nr.: 36 356 (?) (Joined 01.07.1932; the SS-Dienstalterslisten of 01.12.1937, 01.12.1938, and 01.10.1944 give SS-Nr. 126 366, however 36 356 is given several times
in his SS file. This number seems more likely given his relatively early entrance date)

Promotions:
09.11.1935 SS-Untersturmführer
12.09.1937 SS-Obersturmführer
01.09.1939 Leutnant d. R.
10.09.1939 SS-Hauptsturmführer
01.03.1940 SS-Hauptsturmführer d. R. der Waffen-SS
21.06.1943 SS-Sturmbannführer d. R. der Waffen-SS
09.11.1944 SS-Obersturmbannführer der Waffen-SS
01.12.1944 Oberstleutnant

Decorations & Awards:
01.12.1943 Ritterkreuz des Eisernen Kreuzes as SS-Sturmbannführer and Fhr. I.Bataillon / SS-Grenadier-Regiment 10 (mot) / 1.SS-Infanterie-Brigade (mot) / 9.Armee / Heeresgruppe Mitte, Eastern Front (based on a recommendation dated 08.10.1943 and signed by Brig. Kdr. August-Wilhelm Trabandt)
00.12.1942 1939 Eisernes Kreuz I. Klasse
00.11.1941 1939 Eisernes Kreuz II. Klasse
00.00.194 Kriegsverdienstkreuz II. Klasse mit Schwertern
01.05.1943 Nahkampfspange I. Stufe (Bronze)
00.12.1942 Infanterie-Sturmabzeichen
00.00.194_ Verwundetenabzeichen, 1939 in Gold
00.00.194_ Verwundetenabzeichen, 1939 in Silber
22.09.1943 Verwundetenabzeichen, 1939 in Schwarz
01.08.1942 Medaille "Winterschlacht im Osten 1941/42”
ca. 1939 Spange “Prager Burg” zum Medaille zur Erinnerung an den 1. Oktober 1938
ca. 1939 Medaille zur Erinnerung an den 1. Oktober 1938
ca. 1938 Medaille zur Erinnerung an den 13. März 1938
00.00.194_ Dienstauszeichnung der NSDAP in Bronze
00.00.194_ SS-Dienstauszeichnungen
00.02.1934 Ehrenwinkel für alte Kämpfer

(Source: Knights Cross Holders Of The SS & German Polizei 1940-45 by Michael Miller)

**WarCollector2019** · 05-25-2013, 07:35 PM

by hucks216

Here is some additional information on Werner Hörnicke...

Werner H ö r n i c k e
SS-Obersturmbannführer der Waffen-SS

Born: 09.03.1907 in Dresden / Sachsen.
Died: 30.04.1982 in Nürnberg.

NSDAP-Nr.: 1 377 910 (Joined 01.08.1932)
SS-Nr.: 36 356 (?) (Joined 01.07.1932; the SS-Dienstalterslisten of 01.12.1937, 01.12.1938, and 01.10.1944 give SS-Nr. 126 366, however 36 356 is given several times
in his SS file. This number seems more likely given his relatively early entrance date)

Promotions:
09.11.1935 SS-Untersturmführer
12.09.1937 SS-Obersturmführer
01.09.1939 Leutnant d. R.
10.09.1939 SS-Hauptsturmführer
01.03.1940 SS-Hauptsturmführer d. R. der Waffen-SS
21.06.1943 SS-Sturmbannführer d. R. der Waffen-SS
09.11.1944 SS-Obersturmbannführer der Waffen-SS
01.12.1944 Oberstleutnant

Decorations & Awards:
01.12.1943 Ritterkreuz des Eisernen Kreuzes as SS-Sturmbannführer and Fhr. I.Bataillon / SS-Grenadier-Regiment 10 (mot) / 1.SS-Infanterie-Brigade (mot) / 9.Armee / Heeresgruppe Mitte, Eastern Front (based on a recommendation dated 08.10.1943 and signed by Brig. Kdr. August-Wilhelm Trabandt)
00.12.1942 1939 Eisernes Kreuz I. Klasse
00.11.1941 1939 Eisernes Kreuz II. Klasse
00.00.194 Kriegsverdienstkreuz II. Klasse mit Schwertern
01.05.1943 Nahkampfspange I. Stufe (Bronze)
00.12.1942 Infanterie-Sturmabzeichen
00.00.194_ Verwundetenabzeichen, 1939 in Gold
00.00.194_ Verwundetenabzeichen, 1939 in Silber
22.09.1943 Verwundetenabzeichen, 1939 in Schwarz
01.08.1942 Medaille "Winterschlacht im Osten 1941/42”
ca. 1939 Spange “Prager Burg” zum Medaille zur Erinnerung an den 1. Oktober 1938
ca. 1939 Medaille zur Erinnerung an den 1. Oktober 1938
ca. 1938 Medaille zur Erinnerung an den 13. März 1938
00.00.194_ Dienstauszeichnung der NSDAP in Bronze
00.00.194_ SS-Dienstauszeichnungen
00.02.1934 Ehrenwinkel für alte Kämpfer

(Source: Knights Cross Holders Of The SS & German Polizei 1940-45 by Michael Miller)

Thank you very much, this information is greatly appreciated!

Would it be possible to find out some further information on Karl Hartel? It is a shame there wasn't a picture of him with this grouping.

Thank you, Glen.

**hucks216** · 05-25-2013, 07:38 PM

Chances are no it won't be possible. If you had his Wehrpass, Soldbuch &/or Wehrstammbuch you could of deciphered a fair bit but unfortunately he was just a soldier - one amongst millions so there won't be anything available. The WASt might well hold some basic information on him (units served etc) but they will only give such information to Next Of Kin.

**WarCollector2019** · 05-25-2013, 07:49 PM

by hucks216

Chances are no it won't be possible. If you had his Wehrpass, Soldbuch &/or Wehrstammbuch you could of deciphered a fair bit but unfortunately he was just a soldier - one amongst millions so there won't be anything available. The WASt might well hold some basic information on him (units served etc) but they will only give such information to Next Of Kin.

Okay that is a shame; I appreciate your help!

Thank you, Glen.