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    Today I was allowed to see some amazing and good items! Danke!

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    You are welcome. Your posts are always interesting and we have to cooperate in a hostile world, surely. All the best to you, FBName:  A302.jpg
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    damit, basta.

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    While Friedrich-Berthold and D'Alquen are indubitably better qualified to do so, I will try to answer the question about the nature and mission of the Allgemeine-SS formations:

    As has been said above, the organization of the Allgemeine SS is a highly complex and difficult subject. It is also one about which rather little has been written, especially when compared to the massive volume of literature on, say, the Waffen-SS.

    When we are talking about the Allgemeine SS, we are talking about a huge organization that, at the peak of its power, was present in one way or the other throughout the Reich and the occupied territories, on every level of society and in many aspects of everyday life.
    The Allgemeine SS included everything from multi-levelled command authorites and administrative bodies to schools and training facilities, from a vast system of economic enterprises to a sponsoring members organization, from welfare-related agencies to cultural offices etc. etc.

    So as not to overcomplicate matters and given the context of this thread, we can disregard these aspects of the A-SS and focus on its local, uniformed units. These consisted of Fuß-Standarten [= Foot Regiments] - like the aforementioned 27th Standarte - and various types of specialist units, such as Motor, Signals, Engineer and Equestrian Units.

    Except for a very few high-ranking individuals, these units were made up of part-timers who fulfilled their SS duties in addition to their regular daytime jobs, mostly on evenings and weekends.

    While organized along paramilitary lines, these were not military units but political formations. Their activities and duties included, in no particular order and with no pretense at completeness:

    Political indoctrination, propaganda, furthering the Nazi state
    (A-SS members received extensive ideological instruction and were to defend and spread Nazi ideology.)

    Pre- and post-military training
    (Qualifying for the SA-Wehrabzeichen, participation in military sports such as route marches and shooting competitions and in sports in general, learning fieldcraft, specialized skills etc.)

    Ceremonial and representative functions
    (Participation in Party events on all levels from local celebrations to the Reichsparteitage, holding parades and public concerts, providing honor guards at funerals etc.)

    General security and auxiliary duties
    (A-SS personnel assisted in crowd control at major public events and were intended to assist the Police and public authorities in cases of internal unrest. In the war years, they became involved in general auxiliary work connected to the war effort, from supervising foreign laborers to assisting in air raid relief work.)

    Procurement of funds
    (The A-SS was active in procuring members for the SS' Patron Members organization, conducted subscription drives for the SS' official newspaper, "Das Schwarze Korps", participated in collecting donations for the Winterhilfswerk etc.)

    Recruiting of personnel and providing reservists
    (The A-SS was heavily involved in recruiting active members for all branches of the SS. Furthermore, it eventually formed something of a reserve pool for the SS' armed formations. A-SS reservists were called up into the Death's Head Formations as so-called SS-Police Reinforcements and members of the Allgemeine-SS could be drafted directly into the Waffen-SS even before the summer of '44.)
    Hope this helps.
    Last edited by HPL2008; 02-20-2011 at 07:32 PM.

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    Moreover, I hate looking at images of junky fakes, in which case I am stuffing Google with as many real pieces to make things more informative and interesting. All the fakes are always depressing to me, really. We have also creamed the dorky maroon loony bin, aka lord of the flies site, in terms of pictorial material. Das ist gut so. Gruess nach Israel.Name:  M15.jpeg
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    damit, basta.

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    Quote by HPL2008 View Post
    While Friedrich-Berthold and D'Alquen are indubitably better qualified to do so, I will try to answer the question about the nature and mission of the Allgemeine-SS formations:

    As has been said above, the organization of the Allgemeine SS is a highly complex and difficult subject. It is also one about which rather little has been written, especially when compared to the massive volume of literature on, say, the Waffen-SS.

    When we are talking about the Allgemeine SS, we are talking about a huge organization that, at the peak of its power, was present in one way or the other throughout the Reich and the occupied territories, on every level of society and in many aspects of everyday life.
    The Allgemeine SS included everything from multi-levelled command authorites and administrative bodies to schools and training facilities, from a vast system of economic enterprises to a sponsoring members organization, from welfare-related agencies to cultural offices etc. etc.

    So as not to overcomplicate matters and given the context of this thread, we can disregard these aspects of the A-SS and focus on its local, uniformed units.

    These consisted of Fuß-Standarten [= Foot Regiments] - like the aforementioned 27th Standarte - and various types of specialist units, such as Motor, Signals, Engineer and Equestrian Units.

    Except for a very few high-ranking individuals, these units were made up of part-timers who fulfilled their SS duties in addition to their regular daytime jobs, mostly on evenings and weekends.

    While organized along paramilitary lines, these were not military units but political formations. Their activities and duties included, in no particular order and with no pretense at completeness:

    Political indoctrination, propaganda, furthering the Nazi state
    (A-SS members received extensive ideological instruction and were to defend and spread Nazi ideology.)

    Pre- and post-military training
    (Qualifying for the SA-Wehrabzeichen, participation in military sports such as route marches and shooting competitions and in sports in general, learning fieldcraft specialized skills etc.)

    Ceremonial and representative functions
    (Participation in Party events on all levels from local celebrations to the Reichsparteitage, holding parades and public concerts, providing honor guards at funerals etc.)

    General security and auxiliary duties
    (A-SS personnel assisted in crowd control at major public events and were intended to assist the Police and public authorities in cases of internal unrest. In the war years, they became involved in general auxiliary work connected to the war effort, from supervising foreign laborers to assisting in air raid relief work.)

    Procurement of funds
    (The A-SS was active in procuring members for the SS' Patron Members organization, conducted subscription drives for the SS' official newspaper, "Das Schwarze Korps", participated in collecting donations for the Winterhilfswerk etc.)

    Recruiting of personnel and providing reservists
    (The A-SS was heavily involved in recruiting active members for all branches of the SS. Furthermore, it eventually formed something of a reserve pool for the SS' armed formations. A-SS reservists were called up into the Death's Head Formations as so-called SS-Police Reinforcements and members of the Allgemeine-SS could be drafted directly into the Waffen-SS even before the summer of '44.)

    Hope this helps.
    This is excellent. The SHAEF intelligence compendium on the organization describes its roles and mission in lurid detail. Such also included a nasty part in the 9 November 1938 pogrom, in such places as Baden-Baden, where the Allgemeine SS unit help loot burned synagogues and also arrest the town's Jews . There are numerous photos of them in action. The Allgemeine SS was the core of the SS, over shadowed in due time by the armed SS, but it remained central to Himmler's idea of the Gesamt SS. The command structure was loosely based on that of the Wehrkreise, and was taken from that of the SA, from whence it came.

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    damit, basta.

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    Thank you all for this rich and detailed information. You all have great knowledge and understanding of this very interesting subject.

    Danke!

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    The best scholarly work on this is the attached. To buy it used is also quite costly, but it is a first rate piece of work.Name:  9780299091903.gif
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    Knowledge of these rather difficult to understand thingies is central to any comprehension of the Nazi state. Hannah Arendt wrote very clearly about all of this, too, in fact.

    The author of said volume was Robert Koehl.
    damit, basta.

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    In an effort to make sense of SS abbreviations, here is a page from the Dienstalterliste that I found and added elsewhere. It is quite useful, especially as it contains the relevant official terms.Click image for larger version. 

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