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Article about: Hi guys, I received this from a friend of mine today as an early Christmas present. They supposedly all came together. I would greatly appreciate a translation of the postcard and letter, as

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    Hi guys,

    I received this from a friend of mine today as an early Christmas present. They supposedly all came together. I would greatly appreciate a translation of the postcard and letter, as well as your opinions on the whole thing.

    The death card is for a man who was killed while serving with a security battalion on the Eastern Front in 1944. Does it appear to be related to anything else? Is the death card a recent copy?

    It all smells right, however I am no expert on paper items and I don't know if this stuff is fake. Any information would be well appreciated.

    Best regards,
    Mo
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    The war-dated letters look ok, but the two cards - one with English
    and French on them - look new. The 'folded' card has a written
    date of 1958, and also 'Gmbh' which is post-war.........
    Regards,


    Steve.

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    Quote by Walkwolf View Post
    The war-dated letters look ok, but the two cards - one with English
    and French on them - look new. The 'folded' card has a written
    date of 1958, and also 'Gmbh' which is post-war.........
    Yea, that's why I'm suspicious. I want to know if they are all somehow related, or if they are original at all.

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    Any other thoughts?

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    Andreas?

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    Quote by Walkwolf View Post
    The 'folded' card has a written date of 1958, and also 'Gmbh' which is post-war.........
    The written date is, of course, clear enough, but just to avoid misconceptions, allow me to remark that the "GmbH" [= Gesellschaft mit beschränkter Haftung or Limited Liability Company] is no indicator for something being post-war. GmbHs had been in existance in Germany since 1892. See Gesellschaft mit beschränkter Haftung - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

    Alright, now for the text of the card. It was written by one lady to another; it would appear that both were teachers. It translates as:


    "Dear Marlies,
    upon returning from the music workshop week at Altenberg, I found your nice card. I cordially thank you for it. Surely you have spent some nice vacation days in the mountains and caught your breath for the upcoming school year. I have now been given the 7th/8th grade of girls for the third time and am quite comfortable with it. By the way, do you still remember Miss Keggenhoff? She is now called Sister Mary Felicity O.P.* and has been in Salisbury, South Rhodesia since January. On Whitsun, we had taken her to Greenwich and I stayed there for four days in December when she was accoutered**). She is quite happy. How are you and your dear ones? Cordial greetings from your Gisela.
    "



    *) O.P. = Ordo Praedicatorum, Latin for Order of Preachers; meaning she was a Dominican nun.

    **) "einkleiden" literally means "to accouter"; but I'm not sure whether this is the best translation here: In this case it refers to the ceremonial bestowal of her order's habit

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    Now for the letter, which refers to the soldier from the death card. (Sorry, I couldn't quite figure out two of the words.) It says:


    "Den 24.9.1944

    Herr Weisensee!

    Es fällt mir sehr schwer, Ihnen mitteilen zu
    müssen, daß Ihr Sohn Franz Weisensee am
    15.8.1944 Janowize
    [...] 25 km [...]
    Zwolen durch Herzschuß gefallen ist.
    Ihr Sohn wurde am 16.8.44 zum Heldenfriedhof
    Ciepielow gebracht und am selben Tage mit
    militärischen Ehren in Grab Nr. 130 zur
    ewigen Ruhe gelegt.
    Er war einer der Allerbesten, ruhig und be-
    scheiden, so war er uns bekannt.
    Wenn Ihr Sohn auch nicht mehr unter uns
    weilt, so lebt er doch in uns weiter, als guter
    Kamerad. In meinem und im Nahmen der
    Kameraden spreche ich Ihnen zu diesem schweren
    Verluste unser Beileid aus.

    Heil Hitler
    Alfred Graf
    Hauptfeldwebel
    F.P.Nr. 23786E
    "


    ...meaning...:


    "24 Sept. 1944

    Mr. Weisensee!

    It is very hard for me to have to inform you that
    your son Franz Weisensee was killed in action on
    15 August 1944 at Janowize
    [...] 25 kilometers [...] of
    Zwolen by a gunshot wound to the heart.
    On 16 August 44, your son was taken to the Heroes' Cemetery
    at Ciepielow and on the same day
    was laid to eternal rest in grave no. 130
    with full military honors.
    He was one of the very best, quiet and
    humble, this is how we knew him.
    Even though your son is no more among us,
    he still lives on within us, as a good
    comrade. On behalf of myself and the
    comrades, I express to you our sympathies
    for this heavy loss.

    Heil Hitler
    Alfred Graf
    Hauptfeldwebel
    Field Post No. 23786E
    "


    For the mentioned places in Poland (Janowize/Janów, Zwoleń and Ciepielów) please see:

    Ciepielów, Masovian Voivodeship - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
    Zwole
    Janów, Zwole
    Last edited by HPL2008; 12-24-2011 at 01:47 PM.

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    Mo here are the details of that FP Number !!

    23786

    (Mobilmachung-1.1.1940) 5. Kompanie Infanterie-Regiment 42,

    (2.1.1940-27.4.1940) gestrichen, wurde Fp.Nr. 09745 B,

    (16.2.1941-18.7.1941) Stab u. l. 4. Kompanie Landesschützen-Bataillon 991,

    (6.4.1944-9.11.1944) 12.10.1944 gestrichen.

    cheers

    Paul
    The gates of hell were opened and we accepted the invitation to enter" 26/880 Lance Sgt, Edward Dyke. 26th Bn Northumberland Fusiliers , ( 3rd Tyneside Irish )

    1st July 1916

    Thought shall be the harder , heart the keener,
    Courage the greater as our strength faileth.
    Here lies our leader ,in the dust of his greatness.
    Who leaves him now , be damned forever.
    We who are old now shall not leave this Battle,
    But lie at his feet , in the dust with our leader

    House Carles at the Battle of Hastings

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    Quote by HPL2008 View Post
    durch Herzschuß gefallen ist.
    This phrase struck me as odd - "a bullet through the heart" - and i wondered is it likely to be literal, or is it a German euphemism for "died quickly and without suffering", or even a stock phrase written by an NCO who has written too many of these letters to be sincere any more?

    Rob

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    I cannot thank you guys enough, wow, this is amazing. Thank you so much for the translations and the FP number search. I could only make out some of the words, like 'Es faellt mir sehr schwer' and I was burning to know the rest!

    The letter and card and getting framed and are certainly going to be 'top shelf' for me. I am now going to spend the next hour or so reading about the whereabouts if Franz's unit.

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