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SS Sturmbannfuherer Fritz Totenkopfring award document

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    Default SS Sturmbannfuherer Fritz Totenkopfring award document

    Found this ring document, did research on the name but no hit, i don't think this is for Fritz Witt? it should be the last name "Fritz"
    How can i tell if this is original and original Himmler signature - do not own this document - no access to it!

    Thank you

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    Hi Ado, impossible to tell from that too distant scan. Get some decent close ups. It might be worth looking at in detail I think. The surname here is Fritz.

    Cheers, Ade.

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    Surname, SS-No., rank and duty assignment match this man:

    Name: Fritz, Josef
    Date of Birth: 25 May 1899
    NSDAP-No.: 640 298
    SS-No.: 17 229
    Awards and Decorations: 1914/18 Ehrenkreuz für Frontkämpfer, Kriegsverdienstkreuz 2. Klasse mit Schwertern, Ehrendegen des Reichsführer-SS, Totenkopfring der SS, Reichssportabzeichen in Silber, SA Wehrabzeichen
    Promotion Dates:
    - SS-Untersturmführer - 24 December 1932
    - SS-Obersturmführer - 9 November 1933
    - SS-Hauptsturmführer - 14 February 1934
    - SS-Sturmbannführer - 9 November 1934
    - SS-Obersturmbannführer - 30 January 1936
    Waffen-SS rank: Sturmbannführer der Reserve
    Known Duty Positions:
    - Commander of 9th SS-Reiterstandarte (as per SS-DAL of 1 Dec. 1934)
    - Staff of SS-Oberabschnitt Nordost (as per SS-DAL of 1 July 1935)
    - Commander of 11th SS-Reiterstandarte (as per SS-DAL of 1 Dec. 1936 and 1 Dec. 1938)
    - Commander of SS-Kavallerie-Ersatz-Abteilung (as per SS-DAL of 1 Oct. 1942)
    - Commander of 11th SS-Reiterstandarte , on temporary assignment to the SS-Reit- und Fahrschule Zamosc (as per SS-DAL of 1 Oct. 1943)
    - Commander of 11th SS-Reiterstandarte (as per SS-DAL of 1 Oct. 1944)
    Other data:
    - Member of Lebensborn e.V.
    - Full-time professional officer of the Allgemeine-SS (as per SS-DAL of 1 Oct. 1944)

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    Default Re: SS Sturmbannfuherer Fritz Totenkopfring award document

    Thanks, HPL2008 (sorry, don't know you name) - Nice work, i just could not find his last name.
    Can you help me, and see if you have any information on SS-No.: 33109


    Please
    Thank you

    Ado

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    Default Re: SS Sturmbannfuherer Fritz Totenkopfring award document

    Sorry Ade, No Can Do, this is the best pic i got

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    Default Re: SS Sturmbannfuherer Fritz Totenkopfring award document

    Is there any chanse to find the owner by the NSDAP number?
    Regards,
    Dimas

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    Default Re: SS Sturmbannfuherer Fritz Totenkopfring award document

    Quote by ado View Post
    Nice work, i just could not find his last name.
    You're welcome; but please note that "Fritz" is his last name.

    Quote by Dimas View Post
    Is there any chanse to find the owner by the NSDAP number?
    Quote by ado View Post
    Can you help me, and see if you have any information on SS-No.: 33109
    Sorry; but I'm afraid I cannot help you there. Allow me to explain how I came up with the data I posted above:

    The SS-Dienstalterslisten (SS Officer Seniority Lists) are not sorted by SS- or NSDAP Membership Numbers but by a descending series of numbers referring to an overall seniority ranking system. They also have alphabetical indexes linking the officers' names to those numbers.
    Thus, to find the data on Josef Fritz, I first looked up the SS officers with the surname "Fritz" in the index of the 1936 SS-DAL and came up with six names: Eduard, Georg, Josef, Karl, Peter and Theo Fritz.
    I then compared the SS number on your Honor Ring document with the SS numbers of those men and thus found out that the man I was looking for was Josef Fritz. I then compiled the data on this specific man from the other SS-DALs.

    A post-war compendium of SS numbers and where to find them in the various SS-DALs [called "The Key"] enabling one to find the name behind the SS number does exist, but I don't own a copy of that one. Furthermore, if the SS-number belonged to an enlisted man, he would not show up in any of the SS-DALs at all.

    Maybe another member will be able to be of help here.
    Last edited by HPL2008; 12-15-2010 at 11:25 PM.

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    Default Re: SS Sturmbannfuherer Fritz Totenkopfring award document

    I just don't know about HH signature and the end of the signature last 3-4 letters, looks crazy like his hand was shaking while he was signing the document, expecially letters "L" and "R"
    I was looking some other HH signatures and did not see shaky signature like this?

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    Default Re: SS Sturmbannfuherer Fritz Totenkopfring award document

    well, shaky signature or not, this document just sold at auction for $1600 ((

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    Quote by ado View Post
    well, shaky signature or not, this document just sold at auction for $1600 ((
    At hammer price of $1,200 this must be with the fees. Alexander Autographs : Full Details for Lot 346

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