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Cross of Valour (Krzyż Walecznych) – Pre-WW2 Types

Article about: by IvanPutski Here's another little tidbit on that cross.... It was awarded to a fighter pilot. Hello Ivan, OK, the suspense builds . . . so now how about giving us the name? The award lists

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    Pics as promised. The genuine cross is die stamped, the fake cast, as expected. The casting process often results in thicker products, which is what we have here.



    I'm a bit mystified why anyone would want to go to the trouble of faking what is actually a rather common cross that typically sells for under $50.

    Regards,
    Tony
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    All thoughts and opinions expressed are those of my own and should not be mistaken for medical and/or legal advice.

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    This cross is stamped out and hand filed/finished. i have had it for about 10 years, it came from Rotmistrz Medwicz collection. The material, the color and the patina is good and as it should be. It was not mass produced. As far as Warsaw in 1970's ... who knows?

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    Yes, your cross is genuine, same as the example shown on the left in my pictures.

    It is a post war made cross, but not absolutely certain as to exactly year of production.

    Here’s one currently listed for sale ( Krzyż Walecznych z legitymacjÄ… antydatowanÄ… na 1949 rok. - Odznaczenia, odznaki, broÅ„ biaÅ‚a: PSZnZ ) with the following description:

    >>> Krzyż Walecznych z legitymacją antydatowaną na 1949 rok.Dokument w bardzo dobrym stanie zachowania. Krzyż wykonany w latach 70-tych. Stan zblizony do idealnego. Wstążka - Londyn, lekko przybrudzona. <<<

    Translated “Cross of Valour with award document antedated to 1949 . . . cross made in the 1970’s . . . ribbon – London . . . “

    I’d agree that a large quantity was not likely produced, although these are not uncommonly seen on the market. Again, increasingly of late these numbered copies have been cropping up.

    Regards,
    Tony
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    Here they are side by side: mine is on the left.

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    Here is reverse: mine is on bottom.
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    Hi, this is a cross number 13 084 from my collection, you can set the name of the owner. Thank you ...
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    Hi Dzianis,

    Unfortunately there are no known surviving records of KW awards by serial number. About the only of knowing the name of the recipient is if there is an original numbers matching award document accompanying the cross.

    Regards,
    Tony

    PS thanks for your post Itakdalej. Aside from the ovious ribbon difference your cross matches up well to the one for sale. Please keep us posted if you obtain any more information on this variant.
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    Thank you Tony.

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    Great thread.

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    Hi. Here is a small list of number of crosses for the theme. So you can create your own forum archive database. Complement friends ...
    Bazylewski Ryszard Krystian - KW (35128)
    Brodowski Stanisław - KW 4x (6478, 38802)
    Chruścielewski Franciszek - KW 3x (38426)
    Cymerman Franciszek - KW 3x (21429)
    Dobrzyński Bohdan - KW 4x (1128, 20438, 41593)
    Firkowski Zygmunt Konrad - KW (52228)
    Florkowski Wacław - KW 2x (34766)
    Fulmyk Michał - KW (38828)
    Gawędzki Andrzej - KW (46383)
    Gliński Feliks - KW (11981)
    Goliczewski Władysław - KW (11982)
    Grądzki Szymon Tadeusz - KW 2x (38825)
    Jaryczewski Eugeniusz - KW (33295)
    Karpio Bronisław - KW (38150)
    Karwowski Bolesław - KW (38877)
    Korczak Marian - KW (2591)
    Kozon Bonifacy - KW (16336)
    Leszczyński Zygmunt - KW (77754)
    Nakoniecznikoff Stanisław - KW (7503)
    Robak Władysław - KW (28550)
    Rogowski Bolesław - KW (34663)
    Romanowski Bronisław - KW (12012)
    Rowiński Janusz - KW (12199)
    Szeligowski Władysław - KW (4069)
    Traugutt-Tejchman Władysław - KW (30151)
    Trenkwald Józef Piotr - KW (7762, 21557)
    Tyblewski Jan - KW (17711)
    Warakomski Stanisław - KW (27249)
    Wnorowski Tadeusz - KW 2x (17674)
    Wolwark Jan - KW (47736)
    Władysław Jenkner KW nr 55330
    Falewicz Tadeusz - KW 4x (9954, 38912, 41517)
    Niesiobędzki Witold - KW (38824)
    Szymański Lucjan - KW (10868)
    Władysławie Goliczewski - KW nr 11892
    Jasieński Julisz płk 11912 1x 19/1921 1 psp 1 DP we Francji
    Haciski Leon mjr 11920 1x 19/1921 1 psp 1 DP we Francji
    Wysocki mjr 11921 1x 19/1921 1 dyw. inż. 1 DP we Francji
    Syciński Gustaw kpt. 11928 1x 19/1921 3 pstrz. 1 DP we Francji
    Chmielewski Kazimierz mjr 11926 1x 19/1921 3 psp 1 DP we Francji
    Kozerowski Albert mjr 11930 1x 19/1921 3 psp 1 DP we Francji
    Wielhorski Edmund kpt. 11931 1x 19/1921 1 pstrz 1 DP we Francji
    Wodziński Andrzej kpt. 11932 1x 19/1921 1 pstrz 1 DP we Francji
    Laufer Stanisław kpt. 11933 1x 19/1921 1 psp 1 DP we Francji
    Palewski Jan Paweł por. 11934 1x 19/1921 3 psp 1 DP we Francji
    Ostrowski por. 11937 1x 19/1921 1 psp 1 DP we Francji
    Krzywkowski Fryderyk por. 11938 1x 19/1921 1 psp 1 DP we Francji
    Moittifow Lucjan kpt. 11962 1x 19/1921 1 psp 1 DP we Francji
    Bertin Henryk por. 11966 1x 19/1921 1 psp 1 DP we Francji
    Orłowski Mieczysław rtm. 11967 1x 19/1921 1 pszwol. Armii Hallera
    Kelly A.H. kpt. + 18806 1x 20/1921 7 Eskadra Lotnicza Pol.-Amer.
    Graves E.P. kpt. + 18807 1x 20/1921 7 Eskadra Lotnicza Pol.-Amer.
    Pierson Lou - 16064 1x 20/1921 7 Eskadra Lotnicza Pol.-Amer.
    Jasieński Julisz / 11912 / 1x / Dz.Pers. 19/1921
    Haciski Leon / 11920 / 1x / Dz.Pers. 19/1921
    Wysocki ? / 11921 / 1x / Dz.Pers. 19/1921
    Syciński Gustaw / 11928 / 1x / Dz.Pers. 19/1921
    Chmielewski Kazimierz / 11926 / 1x / Dz.Pers. 19/1921
    Kozerowski Albert / 11930 / 1x / Dz.Pers. 19/1921
    Wielhorski Edmund / 11931 / 1x / Dz.Pers. 19/1921
    Wodziński Andrzej / 11932 / 1x / Dz.Pers. 19/1921
    Laufer Stanisław / 11933 / 1x / Dz.Pers. 19/1921
    Palewski Jan Paweł / 11934 / 1x / Dz.Pers. 19/1921
    Ostrowski ? / 11937 / 1x / Dz.Pers. 19/1921
    Krzywkowski Fryderyk / 11938 / 1x / Dz.Pers. 19/1921
    Moittifow Lucjan / 11962 / 1x / Dz.Pers. 19/1921
    Bertin Henryk / 11966 / 1x / Dz.Pers. 19/1921
    Orłowski Mieczysław / 11967 / 1x / Dz.Pers. 19/1921
    Kelly A.H. / 18806 / 1x / Dz.Pers. 20/1921
    Graves E.P. / 18807 / 1x / Dz.Pers. 20/1921
    Pierson Lou / 16064 / 1x / Dz.Pers. 20/1921

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