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Pistols, Rifles, Machine Guns and Crew Served Weapons of Partitioned Poland and the Polish 2nd Republic

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    Default Pistols, Rifles, Machine Guns and Crew Served Weapons of Partitioned Poland and the Polish 2nd Republic

    This is a thread to consolidate the numerous posts in this forum of personal weapons (small arms) and crew served weapons that were employed by Polish combatants of Partitioned Poland, the Polish 2nd Republic, and partisans in Occupied Poland.

    Please re post threads here that you would like included and please include a heading so as to make the thread more easily searched. Unfortunately there is no way to divide the thread into sub sections so all posts will be chronological and linear. However it is possible to change the thread display to an hybrid view which may help in searching.

    Any personal (small arms) or medium to heavy crew served weapon is fine. Please do not include large crew served weapons such as artillery or anti tank guns, or mechanized weapons. Further similar threads are to follow for such topic areas. Thank you and Sto Lat!
    Last edited by dastier; 05-21-2012 at 08:40 PM.

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    Default Karabinek (kbk) wz.29

    Here are some of the best and most complete photographs of a Karabinek (kbk) wz.29 rifle that I have found to date. These are large files so be forewarned. All photographs courtesy of Jackthedog.com Llc. (U.S.A., used with permission) except for the first which is courtesy of Stoggie (Canada). Please note that this firearm was sold at auction. Thank you.

    Kbk wz.29 Side Rail Markings:
    1927 to 1929 - K98 or original German markings (e.g., Gew.98)
    1929 to 1933 - K29 or K98-29 (rare)
    1933 to 1939 - wz.29

    Serial Numbers:
    All matching numbers. On the receiver (full number including suffix), bolt (full number including suffix), stock (full number including suffix), buttplate (full number including suffix), barrel (full number including suffix?), and the rear sight leaf (last three numbers).

    Small Polish eagles on the receiver, the bolt knob, and on the stock wrist. The bolt, stock crossbolt, take down disc, face of the rear sight (excluding the elevation numbers) and magazine follower are in the white. The rest of the parts are blued. Straight bolt handles on rifles issued to the Infantry, and bent bolt handles for Cavalry. All stocks had the bolt handle relief cutout irregardless of the style of bolt handle.

    All Kbk wz.98/29's had bent bolt handles.

    1938 FB Radom Karabinek (kbk) wz.29 rifle:
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    Default Karabinek (Kbk) wz.29 stock symbols

    Here are drawings of symbols found on the stock of the wz.29 rifle. I will post the meaning of them later.

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    Such symbols can be found in several sizes and in two places; the bottom of the wrist (x2) and the right side of the stock near the bolt take down disc.
    Last edited by dastier; 05-21-2012 at 08:21 AM.

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    Default Karabinek (Kbk) wz.98/29, wz.29 and wz.29e Production and Export Numbers

    Karabinek (Kbk) wz.29 rifle

    Kbk wz.29 Side Rail Markings:
    1927 to 1929 - K98 or original German markings (e.g., Gew.98)
    1929 to 1933 - K29 or K98-29 (rare)
    1933 to 1939 - wz.29

    Kbk wz.29 - produced 1930 to 1939 at FB Radom. Generally accepted total production 264,300 from five different Polish books. Suggested total production 400,000 (wz.98/29, wz.29e, wz.29) from a survey on the American Gunboards web site.

    FB Radom Production (1930-1939)
    1930 - 1000 rifles
    1931 - 30,900 rifles
    1932 - 26,200 rifles
    1933 - 35,000 rifles
    1934 - 28,200 rifles
    1935 - 20,300 rifles
    1936 - 5,800 rifles
    1937 - 65,200 rifles
    1938 - 36,700 rifles
    1939 - 15,000 rifles
    Total - 264,300 rifles

    Above appears to be all new wz.29 production rifles, and not inclusive of wz.98/29 production carried out at FB Radom.

    According to some sources FB Radom produced just 1,000 new wz.29's in 1930, its first year of production. This is the generally accepted number in the U.S. collecting community. However some sources dispute this number and cite that while FB Radom did not start producing new wz.29's until 1930, Zbrojownia Nr. 2 (Armory No. 2) in Warsaw began making rifles to the wz.29 standard in 1927. These rifles were made from German K98's and parts taken as WWI reparations. These rifles, which differ only slightly in appearance from the new wz.29 but often retained original markings, were designated as the wz.98/29. Production of the wz.98/29 continued until 1933, at which time its suggested, the German parts ran out.

    Kbk wz.98/29 - produced 1927 to 1933, initially at Zbrojownia Nr 2 in Warsaw and later moved to FB Radom (exact date unknown). Total production unknown. Made from German K98's given to Poland from WWI reparations. Look slightly different than wz.29.

    Production of the Kbk wz.98/29 was moved from Warsaw to Radom sometime between 1927 and 1933. There is the possibility that by 1930, FB Radom was simultaneously producing new wz.29's and making wz.98/29's from reparation parts, quite possibly a mixture of both. Based on the "n" and "p" letter blocks stamped on wz.29 bolts, it is a possibility that these bolts were originally German, restamped with a matching Polish s/n, and installed on new wz.29 rifles.

    Poland also started exporting wz.29e's in 1928. Since new wz.29 production didn't start until 1930, this suggests that Poland was making its export models either from previously made wz.98/29's or straight from reparation parts. Many of the wz.29e's were completely scrubbed of markings except for their serial numbers, especially those exported to Spain.

    According to the Gwaźdź book, of the 264,300 total new wz.29's produced at FB Radom from 1930 to 1939, only 7,900 were exported as wz.29e's. According to the website the total number of wz.29e's exported was over 143,000. Thus the majority of the rifles exported (135,100 of them) must have been taken from existing wz.98/29 stocks or built from reparation K98's, for which we have no production data.

    Sales/Exports of Karabinek (Kbk) wz.29e rifle:
    1928/29 - 100 rifles sold to Afghanistan
    1929 - 3,000 rifles solid to the Kingdom of Hijaz (now part of Saudi Arabia)
    1930 - 4,200 rifles sold to China
    1930 - 10,000 rifles sold to the Kingdom of Hijaz (w/parts)
    1931 - 8,250 rifles sold to China
    1935 - 61 rifles sold to an unknown receiver
    1936 - 9,300 rifles sold to China (in reality to Spain)
    1937 - 10,094 rifles sold to Mexico (in reality to Spain)
    1936 - 1,697 rifles sold to Palestine
    1937 - 5,800 rifles to Greece (in reality to Spain)
    1938 - 10,000 rifles sold to China (in reality to Spain)
    1938 - 40,000 rifles sold to Greece (in reality to Spain)
    1938 - 30,000 rifles sold to Peru (in reality to Spain)
    1938 - 10,000 rifles sold to an unknown receiver
    1938 - 500 rifles sold to an unknown receiver
    Total - 143,002 rifles

    Combined, the Spanish Republic received 105,194 wz.29e rifles through intermediaries in China, Mexico, Greece, and Peru.

    Please note that this information was first posted by 'cartoonist' on Gunboards in a forum on Military Mausers. Anyone with addition information, especially from archived Polish sources is both welcome and encouraged to post.
    Last edited by dastier; 05-21-2012 at 11:00 AM.

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    Default Karabinek (kbk) wz.98

    1927 PWB Radom K98

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    The Karabinek (kbk) wz.98 is the predecessor to the Karabinek (kbk) wz.29. This model did not have a cleaning rod, and is often referred to as a copy of the German Kar 98 AZ. After the Treaty of Versailles Poland acquired the tooling from the (Imperial German) Danzig Royal Arsenal, and used this machinery to build the Kbk wz.98. The machinery from Danzig was moved to PFK Warszawa before moving to PWB Radom, the name of which became FB Radom after 1929 (possibly earlier in 1927).

    As such most parts are identical to the Imperial German Kar 98 AZ. All Karabinek (kbk) wz.98's had bent bolt handles.
    Last edited by dastier; 05-21-2012 at 11:06 AM.

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    Default Karabin wz.1898a

    Karabin wz.1898a

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    (more photos pending)

    Polish version of the German GEW 98 long rifle. Initially produced at PFK Warsawa on tooling removed from the (Imperial German) Royal Arsenal at Danzig in 1922 and 1923. 22,000 were made at that time, with early rifles still equipped with Lange rear sights. A later run of 44,500 were made at FB Radom in 1936 to 1939. These were equipped with tangent rear sights.


    (This image, which was originally posted to Flickr.com, was uploaded to Commons using Flickr upload bot on 16:13, 22 August 2010 (UTC) by Antique Military Rifles (talk)
    Last edited by dastier; 05-21-2012 at 09:01 PM.

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    Default Polish Ng 30 Revolver

    Polish Ng 30 Revolver

    Produced on the same machinery used to manufacture the Imperial Russian 1895 Nagent Revolver after being purchased by the Polish government.

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    Default Re: Polish 1938 F.B. Radom Karabinek (kbk) wz.29

    Quote by dastier View Post
    Here are some of the best and most complete photographs of a Polish 1938 F.B. Radom Karabinek (kbk) wz.29 rifle that I have found.
    Incredible condition!

    Regards,
    Tony
    All thoughts and opinions expressed are those of my own and should not be mistaken for medical and/or legal advice.

    "Tomorrow hopes we have learned something from yesterday." - John Wayne

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    Default Karbin wzor 98a (kb wz.98a)

    Here are more pics of the Karbin wzor 98a (kb wz.98a)...

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    As the Karbin wz.98 is based upon the Imperial German Gewehr 98 long rifle, it shares many characteristics of that rifle. However Polish stocks were made of Beechwood and had a lateral strengthening dowel of a darker wood behind the magazine box, as can be seen in the photo above. Also shown is the tangent rear sight of the wz.98a which replaced the earlier Lange rear sight found on the Gewehr 98 and early versions of the wz.98.

    Also note that the bolt, with a straight bolt handle, is in the 'white'.

    (Information from 'VIS Radom' by William J.York)
    Last edited by dastier; 05-23-2012 at 02:53 AM.

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    Default Further to the Polish Nagant Ng 30 revolver...

    This 7 shot revolver, in caliber 7.62mm x 38mm Russian and with its interesting gas seal mechanism, was an issue sidearm of the Imperial Russian Army in WW1 and later of the Soviet Army during WW2. At the end of the First World War quantities of this revolver were to be found in former areas of Imperial Russian occupied Poland and proved to be popular with police forces of the reconstituted Polish Republic. As such, the Polish government decided to obtain more, and was able to purchase the tooling from the Nagant factory in Belgium. The machinery was installed in the F.B. Radom factory with an intended run of 30,000 revolvers to be produced between 1931 to 1937. However records of serial number data seems to indicated that only 20,000 were actually made. ('VIS Radom', p. 233)

    In 1934 the Radom factory used a special process that resulted in a black enamel finish on the Ng 30. The process used an acid (electrolyte) treatment of the surfaces prior to enameling. (VIS Radom, p. 235) These Ng 30 revolvers are exceedingly rare and command a high price.

    Further information taken from a post by Vis35 on the ParallaxBill's Curio & Relic and Military Surplus Firearms Forums:

    "Several years back, a collector from Poland informed me that in 1930 the Polish Govt. contemplated manufacturing from 20,000 to 35,000 Ng 30's for police issue. However, due to fiscal problems and budget cuts the actual number manufactured was far less. As of 1935 the last year of production, observed Ng.30 serial numbers are below 14,000.
    I was also informed that the tools purchased from the bankrupt Nagant firm in Belgium were in poor condition, and as a result the manufacture of the Ng.30 required alot of hand fitting of parts. For this reason Ng.30 parts were numbered to each revolver."

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    Now, if only someone would post pics of a 1934 Ng 30!
    Last edited by dastier; 05-23-2012 at 04:52 AM.

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