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Polish Forced Labour (Zwangsarbeiter/Fremdarbeiter) collection

Article about: by A.J. Zawadzki Hi Stefan, yes, very perceptive of you. Definitely the efforts of a left leaning group. You'll quickly spot the less-than-subtle hammer and scythe imagery on the cover: Atta

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    Some more examples of Zugangsmarken:


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    Possibly Zugangsmarken too:

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    Bestregards,

    kindzjal

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    as lesser I'm willing to buy it...




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    That is possibly a Zugangsmarke or Eintrittsmarke that was made especially for Polish workers at "Wepoba".
    Here You have an example of such a Zugangsmarke for Polish forced laborers (mostly POW's) from the ironworks in Malapane.

    A friend of mine had the same badge with the "R" for Russian workers.
    Good point... thank you. I posted an example of this type of numbered badge earlier in the thread, with letter "S" for factory mark which was wrapped with a <P> patch... no idea which factory though. I guessed "S" for Siemens?

    From the corrosion was your Zugangsmarke badge found in the ground? Do you know what the difference is between the term Zugangsmarke and Kennmarke if any?

    Another forced worker identification badge unnumbered made of plastic with metal "G" symbol from Gustloff-Werk in Suhl.

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    This red one is for a Russian worker. I have been looking for a Polish yellow colour version for a long time.

    Gustloff-Werk used a colour coding system of badges depending on its workers' nationality:

    Poland - Yellow
    Russians - Red
    Italians - Blue
    French - Green
    Dutch - Brown
    Belgian - Black
    Czechs - White
    I collect, therefore I am.

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  3. #183

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    From the corrosion was your Zugangsmarke badge found in the ground?
    Yes indeed.


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    Do you know what the difference is between the term Zugangsmarke and Kennmarke if any?
    The Zugangsmarke is a acces mark and the Kennmarke is a identification mark.

    Thanks for the info on the Gustloff-Werk badges, I didn't know that

    Btw. have You seen this auction:

    WW 2 GERMANY FORCED POLISH LABOR ( OT ) UNIFORM ORIGINAL & DIRECT FROM GERMANY | eBay

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    I doubt if this one is original, it looks like never used...
    But the uniform type is allmost the same as the one I've got on a picture:

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    Only the "P" badge is sewn on the opposite side of the overall

    Bestreg.

    kindzjal

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    This tunic was offered to me by a forum member who was very insulting when I said his original offer price was too expensive for my collection. He will know what I am talking about.

    I also made the same observation as you have re the badge on the "wrong" breast pocket. Not unheard of but against regulations and would likely have been a punishable offence , so I mentioned this as a concern to the seller.
    I collect, therefore I am.

    Nothing in science can explain how consciousness arose from matter.

  5. #185

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    For what itís worth, hereís how one of the Pís stacks up against a genuine one. I can be certain that itís genuine as it was one issued to my father that he had kept as a souvenir of those harrowing years. The one Kindzjalís picture is not an image photographed straight on, and also slightly out of focus.

    Regards,
    Tony
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    This tunic was offered to me by a forum member who was very insulting...
    Well, look how small the world is...

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    For what itís worth, hereís how one of the Pís stacks up against a genuine one.
    There's indeed a big difference in colours. Thanx!

  7. #187

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    Small indeed .... And the tunic still did not sell!
    I collect, therefore I am.

    Nothing in science can explain how consciousness arose from matter.

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    Quote by kindzjal View Post
    There's indeed a big difference in colours.
    Hi kindzjal, the colour rendition is not something I would judge the patch by. They way an object appears (especially with digital photography) is affected by the light it is illuminated by - natural or artificial. And if the latter then incandescent, fluorescent, flash, etc. And of course, ink batch at the time it was printed may have also had variations.

    To my eyes the patch seems to stack up well. The fabric appears very similar, as does the quality of the ink transfer. Take note of the similarities in the bottom right hand inside border where the yelow meets the purple.

    Regards,
    Tony
    All thoughts and opinions expressed are those of my own and should not be mistaken for medical and/or legal advice.

    "Tomorrow hopes we have learned something from yesterday." - John Wayne

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    Quote by A.J. Zawadzki View Post
    Hi kindzjal, the colour rendition is not something I would judge the patch by. They way an object appears (especially with digital photography) is affected by the light it is illuminated by - natural or artificial. And if the latter then incandescent, fluorescent, flash, etc. And of course, ink batch at the time it was printed may have also had variations.

    To my eyes the patch seems to stack up well. The fabric appears very similar, as does the quality of the ink transfer. Take note of the similarities in the bottom right hand inside border where the yelow meets the purple.

    Regards,
    Tony
    Storage conditions will also affect ink colour shift/fading and or fabric discolouration so some colour differences can be expected.
    I collect, therefore I am.

    Nothing in science can explain how consciousness arose from matter.

  10. #190

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    Quote by A.J. Zawadzki View Post
    They way an object appears (especially with digital photography) is affected by the light it is illuminated by - natural or artificial.
    I can't say You are wrong, because You have a point here
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