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Article about: In my opinion this particular cap eagle was made by G.J. Garratt Toronto. Very unique, hard to find.

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    Quote by wadowicznic View Post
    Fellows,

    Looks like we have managed to conduct another positive "identification / categorisation" - new Variant of Casted Eagle
    2 specimens found

    This is en excellent find!
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    Thanks to MK!
    Hi there,

    What is your research methodology? Do you know what sand casting is? Thanks.

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    Hi Kosa
    Sorry for keeping you waiting for my response - I have been busy lately - sorry.

    Regarding - Methodology - presumably - you asking for methodology I have been using to "categorise / identify - new variants". As mentioned a few times in the posts - it is nothing more than a crude "try and error" approach, that is far away from professional approach applied my archivists / historians etc. It is just an approach of a bunch of enthusiasts - based on trying to a) find 2 identical specimens and b) find some written and / or photographic records to go with a newly "identified" variant to provide for source info. I find step a) relatively easy with help of forum members, but step b) is usually very hard.

    Re Mid-East made Eagles - the library of pictures is quite extensive - various regimental books + archives in London (sikorski / pilsudski institutes) + press from that time.
    Libraries of pictures are smaller (from my experience) in relation to 1 Core (UK / Scotland) and 1AD and other polish Units in Germany post 45.
    Overall - I would say the subject of Polish Free Forces - Eagles is well under-researched - and probably we will never 100% identify many variants re manufacturer / time / unit etc


    Regarding - casting technologies - actually, I have made some effort over years to learn a bit and see some processes - but again - I consider myself far form being well acquainted with the subject.

    All in all - on both subjects / points above - constructive comments / posts / pictures are invited - so feel free.

    Please post - your most interesting / intriguing Eagle - perhaps we can "identify / categorise" it



    Quote by kosa View Post
    Hi there,

    What is your research methodology? Do you know what sand casting is? Thanks.

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    Fellows
    Again fruits of the cooperation with Tony - looks like another "positive categorisation" - 2 very similar specimens - see the "dent" on avers and details on reverse.
    Looks like both eagles may belong to the same production run.

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    checking for dents. will take pics on the morrow.

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    Quote by wadowicznic View Post
    Hi Kosa
    Sorry for keeping you waiting for my response - I have been busy lately - sorry.

    Regarding - Methodology - presumably - you asking for methodology I have been using to "categorise / identify - new variants". As mentioned a few times in the posts - it is nothing more than a crude "try and error" approach, that is far away from professional approach applied my archivists / historians etc. It is just an approach of a bunch of enthusiasts - based on trying to a) find 2 identical specimens and b) find some written and / or photographic records to go with a newly "identified" variant to provide for source info. I find step a) relatively easy with help of forum members, but step b) is usually very hard.

    Re Mid-East made Eagles - the library of pictures is quite extensive - various regimental books + archives in London (sikorski / pilsudski institutes) + press from that time.
    Libraries of pictures are smaller (from my experience) in relation to 1 Core (UK / Scotland) and 1AD and other polish Units in Germany post 45.
    Overall - I would say the subject of Polish Free Forces - Eagles is well under-researched - and probably we will never 100% identify many variants re manufacturer / time / unit etc


    Regarding - casting technologies - actually, I have made some effort over years to learn a bit and see some processes - but again - I consider myself far form being well acquainted with the subject.

    All in all - on both subjects / points above - constructive comments / posts / pictures are invited - so feel free.

    Please post - your most interesting / intriguing Eagle - perhaps we can "identify / categorise" it
    Hi there,

    Thanks for your reply. Pardon me for my lack of excitement.

    Best

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    may have presented these before, can't remember
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    Fellows
    Very good Picture of the Cadets Eagle - I have found it among pictures I did take at the sikorski's institute.
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    Fellows
    I think - this Eagle is worth posting.

    It is a very interesting variation of 40mm - Eagle made by Gaunt of London.
    What makes it interesting it its fixing - that is unusual for the "Gaunt - Land Army" (typically - tread, is seen) - this one has the fixing as for the Gaunt made - Navy Eagle.

    This is first time I see the fixing of that nature for the "Gaunt- Land Army" Eagle.

    This could be an example of short / rare production run - I think.
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    Fellows
    I have just found an interesting Eagle and perhaps we collectively, again, can conduct the "simplified identification" - by finding the 2nd example.

    Please notice some very characteristic features - front and back (specifically).
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    Fellows,
    Perhaps one of you can help - by providing some pictures, clues, sources etc?

    I have been trying to learn more about this particular Eagle and, specifically, figure out if this variant can be with no-doubts connected with Polish Free Forces in France 1939 - 40.

    One of the hypothesis I have - centres around the fact than a very similar variant is clearly identified in literature (Zawistowski, Eagles 1917 - 19, page 126) as the "NCOs Eagle" made in Paris in 1917/18 for the Polish "Blue Army" (Haller's Army). However the fastening and shape of the crown are slightly different.

    Perhaps, like in case of some other Hallers Eagles - the stamps had been re-used in 1939/40 to re-strike Eagles for the Polish Volunteers joining the Army under gen Sikorski.

    However, I have not yet come across any pictures / sources - to confirm that.


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