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Article about: In my opinion this particular cap eagle was made by G.J. Garratt Toronto. Very unique, hard to find.

  1. #961

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    Exactly, thanks Tom. If anyoneís comments are not understandable letís simply ask for clarification rather than posting thumbs down. Wadowicznicís thoughtful post did not warrant it. Disagreements can be voiced in a gentlemanly manner. Letís keep the atmosphere here friendly and positive in the exchange of thoughts, theories and knowledge.

    Cheers,
    Tony

    All thoughts and opinions expressed are those of my own and should not be mistaken for medical and/or legal advice.

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    Recently acquired, this is a piece that served as a patriotic souvenir of sorts. It is constructed with a high level of craftsmanship.

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    The eagle is a full size wz.39 French Alavoine pattern measuring 54 x 33mm.

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    The year 1942 is engraved into the amazon shield:

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    It is stamped in what appears to be thin gauge metal, not typical of regular issue Alavoine hat eagles. Perhaps not Alavoine made, but by the craftsman expressly for this item - ??

    The badge is mounted to a red fabric covered center section that is precisely inlaid into a three-ply wooden frame. It passes right through this perimeter frame.

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    Interestingly the reverse has French language text describing the proposed Polish-Czechoslovak accord. This was a fragile concept pushed by General Sikorski to create a federation of European states as a bulwark against future Soviet and German aggression. The dates marked are those of the two significant events in the formulation of this accord.

    November 11, 1940 was the date of the formal declaration by the two nations of their interest into closer economic and political ties. Then on January 23, 1942 both governments announced the formalization of their joint agreement on a post-war confederation. All the while though Edvard Benes, the leader of the exile Czechs, was lukewarm to the scheme as tensions remained from the pre-WW2 border squabbles between the two nations, and specifically the ill-timed 1938 Polish take over of the disputed Zaolzie / Teschen region. Sikorskiís death in 1943 and Benesí courting of the Soviets resulted in the dissolution of the whole idea.

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    Regards,
    Tony
    All thoughts and opinions expressed are those of my own and should not be mistaken for medical and/or legal advice.

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    hello chaps, been away a short time. enclosed two shots of Scully production eagle. one is a 99.9% standard version with blades complete, the other is a 'field modified ' ? one. the revamped badge has been repaired some may say, quite crudely with a soldered on british helmet lining retaining screw. this is partnered with its locknut that has a fibre insert that ' bites ' on the screw threads thereby preventing vibration etc causing the fastening to become undone. the locknut has a tradename, the name of which escapes me . (could be Simmonds ). if presented for purchase I reckon the one that would be chosen by most people would be the eagle that goes by the oft used description ' textbook ' example . however, knowing the background of the repaired badge , ex - I SBS, that's the one I would opt for.
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  4. #964

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    regarding the hermaphrodite Scully badge, as King Aella once said ' hold out the hand that defied me '. might be best to take a pair of pliers to the screw post and.........................................you know where you stand with a busted badge.
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    Quote by A.J. Zawadzki View Post

    Interestingly the reverse has French language text describing the proposed Polish-Czechoslovak accord. This was a fragile concept pushed by General Sikorski to create a federation of European states as a bulwark against future Soviet and German aggression. The dates marked are those of the two significant events in the formulation of this accord.

    November 11, 1940 was the date of the formal declaration by the two nations of their interest into closer economic and political ties. Then on January 23, 1942 both governments announced the formalization of their joint agreement on a post-war confederation. All the while though Edvard Benes, the leader of the exile Czechs, was lukewarm to the scheme as tensions remained from the pre-WW2 border squabbles between the two nations, and specifically the ill-timed 1938 Polish take over of the disputed Zaolzie / Teschen region. Sikorskiís death in 1943 and Benesí courting of the Soviets resulted in the dissolution of the whole idea.

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    Regards,
    Tony
    What a fabulous ryngraf and great addition to your collection, Tony.

    Especially so, with the inscription referring to the Polish-Czechoslovak accord. IMO this was Retinger's initiative rather than one from Sikorski who was the state figurehead with the necessary gravitas to get Retinger's plans on the table. As part of the grand-plan Retinger and Sikorski were willing to see a realignment of Poland's borders westwards to reach an accommodation with the USSR on its eastern borders. In his memoir Retinger was later to describe Yalta a 'reasonable outcome'.

    The ryngraf is very well crafted so I wonder if this was made as a one-off or a series given to mark the event?
    I collect, therefore I am.

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    Hi Stefan, thanks for your kind words and the added historical background. Retingerís name figured in some of my research into this piece, and it is indeed likely this shadowy figure was influential, if not the prime mover, in promoting the scheme.

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    . . . The ryngraf is very well crafted so I wonder if this was made as a one-off or a series given to mark the event?
    It has the form of a ryngraf, although I didnít call it that due to the absence of the typical religious imagery associated with actual ryngrafs. Judging from the overall quality I had the same thought that maybe itís a one-off run of souvenirs intended for the diplomatic exchange of gifts marking the event - ?? It was found within a group of 2DSP items, and off the cuff I canít see a connection other than the French made Alavoine eagle being a type that would be found on the headwear of the interned soldiers. Although, I suspect the eagle was made expressly for this piece using the Alavoine pattern. Maybe one day a piece of the puzzle will drop into place to help shed more light on this item.

    Cheers,
    Tony
    All thoughts and opinions expressed are those of my own and should not be mistaken for medical and/or legal advice.

  7. #967

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    Because Retinger was the ultimate ťminence grise much about his profoundly influential role in European affairs remains obscure or cloaked behind various prominents such as Sikorski, even today. This obscurity is compounded because Retinger hardly ever took notes at meetings or pushed himself to the fore which has led to all kinds of conspiracy theories surrounding the ťminence grise, especially with Poles.

    Tony, are the last two words on the reverse of the ryngraf a name? I cannot make them out in the photo.
    I collect, therefore I am.

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  8. #968

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    Gents,
    This Eagle was found sometime ago in Poland - i finally got the pictures.
    It has the markings that relate to the Regiment of Carpathian Lancers.

    Has anybody got the pictures of a similar specimen(s) and / or some source - reference information?.

    There is a very good book by Bielatowicz - published in 1965 - 66 (if i remember correctly) - titled - Carpathian Lancers - perhaps it contains some references?
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    not wishing to be controversial and at the risk of raising my head above the parapet it appears that some form of etching / pitting ( acid ?) process was used to take down the smooth surface of the shield and thus create Ulani Karpacki. Similar to that used on electronic circuit boards etc. Most appealing.There, I've said it.

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    Perhaps another Variant identyfied?



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    Another unknown variant - just download the picture off the net
    Can it be identified - second similar found?
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