A, Caesar's judgment, thumb up, thumb down. your badge has the same die characteristics as M's, ergo, good. If AJW considered his example as "suspect " my observation comparing your badge to his was that if the " suspect " badge was indeed duff, it was confirmed by the different die characteristics. the only way to prove a badges is original is to be there when the item is made, a bit difficult when the laws of physics are against you.
Hi again Wadowicznic,
Re the SPA badge, I checked the Partyka reference to find a brief write up along with a black and white photo. There’s isn’t too much new information provided. Here it is for what it’s worth.
Back shortly with more on the 1st Grenadiers badge . . .
First off, thanks to all for the comments on the 1st Grenadiers badge I posted. The Lorioli type post with characteristic hemispherical head did not escape me. The badge itself is very beautifully made. A testament to the fine Italian craftsmanship that went into so many of the Polish unit badges. The posted pictures do not do it justice. Superior to my Kirkwood one in every way.
Mariusz, excellent post showing your K&S Type 2 badge and the award documents!
Wadowicznic – good news for you. A quick scan through my archives reveals evidence suggesting that the earlier Type 1 non-wreathed version by Kirkwood like yours was made in both maker marked and non-marked versions. Your badge is identical to those – including the die flaw on the reverse behind the eagle’s head. This same die flaw appears on Type 2 badges, but very faintly. In my opinion your badge is a genuine Kirkwood badge.
Pictured below is a composite showing Mariusz’s Type 2 on the far left, Wadowicznic’s Type 1 on the far right, sandwiching two other genuine Type 1’s. Note the die flaw. Also, take a look on page 457 of the Sawicki/Wielchowski reference and you’ll see the same flaw in the maker marked Type 1 at the top. My Type 2 K&S also has the same flaw.
Hi so my badge is type 2 badge given in 1943 and sign by gen. bryg. Duch, on award document, say FRANCJA 1940 SZKOCJA 1943. Did Andzej had to be in France in 1940, and later in Scotland 1943 in order to get that badge. I see award documents
to the badge given in SZKOCJA 1946 did they have to be in France 1940 in order to get that badge? On Andrzeys award documents say 1.DYWIZJA GRANADIEROW, and on anther award document from 1946 is 1.BRYGADA GRANADIEROW.
[QUOTE=Mariusz;115568]. . . Did Andzej had to be in France in 1940, and later in Scotland 1943 in order to get that badge. . . .QUOTE]
Good questions. And yes, that is the case. As evidenced by the award document (which provides details of official acceptance and date of the badge), the badges were issued in Scotland in 1943 to veterans of the 1st Grenadiers Division from the 1940 French campaign.
The 1946 issue refers to the 1st Grenadiers Brigade, which was formed in Scotland post war in 1945 and followed the traditions of the1st Grenadiers Division. The unit never did see combat, and thus the laurel wreath is absent from the badge.
So in hindsight, the earlier wreathed combat version should more correctly be referred to as the “Type 1”, although it is commonly the other way around.
The award documents for 1st Grenadiers Division were sign by gen. bryg. Duch. Duch was in France 1940, later in Canada, and Scotland in 1943. Than from 1943-1946 ha served with 2nd Polish Corps.
Bolesław Bronisław Duch (1885-1980) was a Polish Major General.
Duch served during World War I, 1914-18, in the Polish Legions. After Poland regained independence, he served in the Polish Army. In 1935-1938 he commanded the 73rd Infantry Regiment. At the outbreak of World War II, he de facto commanded the 39th Reserve Infantry Division.
After Poland was overrun by Germany and the Soviet Union in September 1939, Duch served in western Europe, becoming commander successively of the Polish 1st Grenadier Division in France (1940), 1st Rifle Brigade of the 1st Polish Corps in Scotland (1942-43), and of the 3rd Carpathian Infantry Division of the 2nd Polish Corps (1943-46).
November 13, 1939 commander in chief, Gen. Wladyslaw Sikorski gave a formal order of formation 1 Infantry Division
On June 21, 1940 Gen. Brig. Bronisław Duch to the impossibility of further fighting and taking calls on the capitulation of France has decided to dissolve the Division and the beting soldiers south of France or Switzerland. This Division ceased to exist On June 21, 1940. Parts of the soldiers managed to get to the UK, including the division commander, gen. brig. Duch
March 20, 1943 was organized 1st Grenadiers Division (Personnel only kadrow). Scotland
September 21, 1943 under the orders of the Supreme Commander No 1210 and 1220 1 DG (k) has been renamed 2 Dywizję Grenadierów Pancernych (Personnel only kadrow).
In my opinion the badge was awarded to solders who where in Scotland March 20, 1943 to September 21, 1943 in newly formed 1st Grenadiers Division (Personnel only kadrow), but they had to served in France 1939-1940 in order to get that badge. Please tell me if im wrong.
What I know:
1 Dywizja Grenadierów 13 November 1939 to 21 June 1940.
In June 1940 1DG had 16 165 men. France
I did not see award documents, but Badge was made of light metal.
(is award documents as Andrzej Smakowskis FRANCE 1940 SCOTLAND 1943)?
1 Dywizja Grenadierów March 20, 1943 to September 21, 1943.
1DG had Personnel only (kadrowa)
Andzejs badge and award documents
1 Brygada Grenadierów June 1, 1945 to ?
1BG had oficers from I Korpusu Polskiego, 80% of solders came from pressed German solders, or Todta organization.
On the award documents say 1.BRYGADA GRANADIEROW SZKOCJA 1946.