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Hi,
I would like to find out if anyone can be of some help, identifying my K98. I know it is a Saur and Son Suhl, but is it LuftWaffe stamps that it carries on both left and right side ?
It is all matching except the front barrel-band :(
There is no rust on it and the barrel is in reasonable good condition.
What will be the stimated value ?
I like to shoot it, but it kicks like a horse. I also have a US m1 carbine and a P08.
Thanks in advance
Shed
Hi
Well first of all welcome to the forum :D these arent really my area but its a very nice example and it must be great to go out and fire a piece of history :)
Thanks
Danny
Hi Shed:
Very nice looking 98k!! I can't see any Luftwaffe markings
on the rifle from the photos you provided. Perhaps, you are
confusing the early Wimerian Eagle firing proofs on the
barrel and receiver for Luftwaffe Eagles? If you look on
the right side of the stock just below the firing pin disassembly
"tube/washer" it should have a Wimerian eagle with a
H for army or L for Luftwaffe or M for Kreigsmarine just
below it. If you could provide a picture of that area it
would clear things up.
Tks,
Bob
It's strange to see a K98 made in 1937, bearing the Weimar Republic eagle. Most of the military items after 1934, espcially rifles had third reich markings this late.
These are considered Transitional proofs....BILL
Hi Sitges and Bill:
I pulled some of my 98's out of the safe to check and
my S/42 1937 has Wimerian proofs on barrel and receiver,
also my 243/1937. I have a JP Sauer 1938 that has the
Wimerian proofs on barrel and receiver but my Mauser
Oberndorf 1938 has the "straight wing" (Third Reich)
eagles. Maybe JP Sauer was a little slow in adopting the
"new" eagle proofs?
Tks,
Bob
Thanks Bob, that's definitely why I'm here, always something new to learn! Take care.
Jay
As an example the two lugers below are 1937 and 1938 dated.
This might show the marking transition.
These two Lugers represent the change from droop wing to stick wing acceptance stamps on Mauser Lugers:
Droop Wing Eagle=DE, Stick Wing Eagle =SE, Mid Test Proof=MTP.
The 1937 dated gun sn. 3271x is acceptance stamped DE/63, DE/63; and mid eagle test proofed. (Top photo.)
The 1938 dated gun shows the transition. sn 7289i, SE/63 SE63 MTP (Bottom photo.)
David
Hi Bob,Quote:
by bob32268
Thanks. I have looked in that area, but maybe my eys are tired or it is very very faint. I can see something but not fgure out what it is. I will have to get a pair og magnifying glasses. :o
I will post some picture of my other items.
brgds
Shed
Hi,Quote:
by bob32268
Have looked carefully and found what looks to be an eagle with down-swept wings and an H ( looks like it is somewhat curved )
So this means HEER and not LUFTWAFFE. Thanks for Yor help.
brgds
Shed
Hi Shed:
Did you ever take the rifle apart and check the barrel
channel for the serial no. of the rifle? This will make sure
that you have the correct stock for the rifle. Yes, the "H"
is for Heer, the German word for army.
Tks,
Bob
Hi BobQuote:
by bob32268
No not yet. I think I will try that one of these days. Could be interesting to see what will come up. I will post my findings later.
I have the cleaning-kit and a bajonet for it as well. We have a club where we can shoot and play with all these old war-relics. Have also a us m1 carbine and a P08 in great condition. The carbine was dropped down to the danish resistance durring the war. Still has the original oil in the oiler inside the stock. Very good and reliable rifle.
brgds
Shed
"i have a rifle just like the one above. It also has the same markings. This rifle was picked up in vietnam during combat. It says the sr# of
"9120 "with a "p" under it. I assume this a mod 98k. You talk about different markings. This is great but i have no idea of what a " weimer republic eagle "looks like. I also do not know what a" straight wing third reich eagle ",or a ""luftwaffe eagle looks like. On the bolt on one of the locking tabs is an "x" on it. What does this mean? There are a lot of markings on this weapon.is there anyway i can find out what these mean. Itsounds like you all are very up to date on these markings. Any help will be appreciated. In not to computer literate but am learning. Sorry about the "capitals" but this is the way i type
I checked the barrel chanel and only found the numbers "4496" with no letter with it. On the left side of the stock just past the sling slot is the number "9120" stamped in it. This is also the seral number.
Any help with this?
Well sounds to me like you may have a Russian Capture that has been "forced matched" by stamping the "9120" on stock at rear. Is the serial no. of 9120 stamped on barrel and receiver? Early 98ks did have the slightly different style Weimar Eagle later changed to the Nazi-style ones. Sounds like your gun was restocked hence the different numbers in barrel channel. What code is stamped on receiver? In any case hold onto that rifle as even Mix-matched 98ks are bringing decent money these days. If you could post some pics we could help you more.
This doesn't sound like a Soviet capture rifle at all. Do you have photos of the serial number on the stock? The original German number should be on the underside of the stock, between the trigger guard and butt plate, and inside the stock channel and visible when the rifle has been disassembled. As noted by others, the 'dropped wing' eagles on the receiver and barrel are the Weimar style eagles, unlike the better known Nazi eagles that are usually associated with these.
Make sure to shoulder the rifle firmly when firing it. Setting the butt end into your shoulder 'pocket' against your upper chest will reduce/mitigate the felt recoil. Not holding it firmly in your shoulder pocket will allow the recoil to move back and strike you, causing the discomfort you've already experienced. It's the difference between having someone put their palm against your shoulder and pushing you, or punching you in the shoulder.
Pat