Question by marking the buckle

**yellow12** · 08-13-2014, 05:06 PM

by Wilhelm Saris

Nichols & Raimond KG I thought it was!

A well-known German collector told this to me in about 1977/1978.
If he was wrong, I am wrong!

I looked in my files. In 1983 it was confirmed by an American buckle-
collector.

Hello Wim ,

nice to hear from you........

do you know the F in the Stamp ?

**Espenlaub Militaria** · 08-13-2014 05:06 PM

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**Wilhelm Saris** · 08-13-2014, 05:25 PM

As said, the marking was explained as Nichols & Raimond by a German, a buckle expert from the 1970's;
the American stated it. So, that is what I have always thought.
The marking also exists as shown with a "rough" drawing, the American made in about the early 1980's.
As far as I know it also exists with the N directly to the R (no horizontal bars).

For me the combining of the N with the R is just a matter of design. Erno shows it in the next post and I
think he is close.
The explanation as Rudolf Fischer Nixdorf, which is RFN, does not match at all, as then the marking should
have started with the R and not with the N for the cityname.

Where my friends got the information I cannot remember. I did not make a note about it (it is over 30 years
ago). Maybe someone can state it with a letterhead or documentation. Then we all would know for sure!

**Erno** · 08-13-2014, 05:38 PM

by yellow12

Hello Wim ,

nice to hear from you........

do you know the F in the Stamp ?

It could be like this? This is the what I saw:

**yellow12** · 08-13-2014, 05:46 PM

Hello,

i will not speak contradict but this is clear what i see .

@Kirby , can you make a close up from the stamp on your buckle ?

It's in better condition and can helps a lot ..............

**zeppelin** · 08-13-2014, 05:49 PM

It could be like this?

Design as it is not so

**Wilhelm Saris** · 08-13-2014, 06:03 PM

The line up for the letters would not match when it is as RFN.
The R at the buckle is at the end and not in the beginning. I think no designer would start with naming the city first!

Maybe Zeppelin or Kirby can bring a large close-up in a good resolution.

**kirby** · 08-13-2014, 07:24 PM

Here you go.

**yellow12** · 08-13-2014, 07:44 PM

by kirby

Here you go.

Hello,

thank you Kirby but the pictures makes it not clear ......

This i found in WAF : SS Buckle by Rudolf Fischer, Nixdorf (Sudetenland) - Wehrmacht-Awards.com Militaria Forums

**Erno** · 08-13-2014, 09:21 PM

This picture seems to suggest that the initials are RN/NR:

**Ben Evans** · 08-14-2014, 07:32 PM

Again guys, I have always associated Rudolf Fischer Nixdorf with this makers mark, from the evidence there is no distinct or definitive link but for my own personal opinion I think it is more likely to be Fischer, some where on my PC I have some period averts for some makers, Fischer may be one, I will post them if I can find them