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    In my opinion this is a copy but I want the opinion of some experienced collectors. Thanks moderators and contributors!
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    I think that your initial reaction is correct, insofar as the buckle shown is probably a cast fake. Most SA-Wehrmannschaften buckles in collections are near mint to mint, although worn examples and without the factory applied silver grey lacquer do exist. This is a white metal buckle in an original form and the one shown is perhaps the slightly dirty grey colour, indicative of the cast fakes. I think that the reverse detail and especially to the markings are indistinct (especially the RZM logo), coupled with perhaps signs of casting bumps. All the trademarks of a cast fake.

    Not one that I feel at all comfortable with.

    Regards,

    David

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    Can't agree more with David. I too consider it a cast alum. Fake.
    Rob

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    Hello,

    yes it is a moldet Fake ..........
    Regards ,
    Markus


    I'm searching for
    Buckles 3.Reich

    special SA/NSKK/NSFK with maker marks


    Link to my collection : http://www.warrelics.eu/forum/album.php?albumid=1175



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    Mmmm, they are getting better, there is even the crack in that one!
    Ben

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    Dear Ben

    The fakers have indeed replicated the hairline tool flaw seen on the majority of original SA-Wehrmannschaften buckles. Having said that, they really had no choice. An original example of a buckle is used to produce a master mould and even though they may have found a mint example, it would more than likely have displayed the flaw. The flaw could and with a bit of work have been taken out from the master mould, although that would have been similar to stamping FAKE on the buckle. So, a fake faithfully replicating by casting, a die stamp flaw.

    As a matter of minor interest, there are known original examples of the SA-Wehrmannschaften buckle which do not display this reverse detail flaw.

    Regards,

    David

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    Thanks for that David, I must admit I have never seen an example without the flaw, it would be interesting to see one if anyone has such an example?
    Ben

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    I'll also add my name to that list!
    Would love to see a real one without that flaw. A first for me!

    Cheers!
    Rob

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