Carl Spitzer RZM SA Dienstdolch

**bdc** · 09-07-2019, 03:14 PM

RZM M 7/91 Carl Spitzer Dagger. I think this dagger is a very nice one. With my untrained eyes I don't see anything wrong with it, but I would like to know if I'm missing something. Greg

**Espenlaub Militaria** · 09-07-2019 03:14 PM

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**Spenser** · 09-08-2019, 08:30 PM

To me it looks like the eagle was taken out and/or replaced again. Larry will know exactly what happened here.

**bdc** · 09-09-2019, 03:46 AM

Thank you Spencer for expressing your concerns. I had them too. I'm sure you'll understand when I say that I hope it turns out you're being overly cautious. In the end the truth is always best though, isn't it? Better to know.

Greg

**AZPhil** · 09-09-2019, 04:26 AM

Larry should chime in. He might be busy today, But normally makes his rounds.
It does look really nice, The blade has some nice cross grains. But I also have an untrained eye. But wondering about not seeing a Gruppe mark on the lower cross guard.
SA Gruppe marks known to Dagger Producers and Manufacturers
So wait for some experts to chime in.

I just did a Bing search for Carl Spitzer RZM SA Dienstdolchfor and there were your pic's posted 8 hours ago.

Semper Fi
Phil

**Larry C** · 09-09-2019, 10:46 AM

The eagle may have been replaced due to the pick marks seen on the left side. The fit itself with the eagle being somewhat raised above the grip is common with late period shove it out the door type production.

I feel the attempt to remove it was stopped..or there would of been more damage. The prongs that go through the wood and into the tang channel are bent along side the wood inside once the blade was inserted into the grip. They dont come out that easy without doing alot of external damage. The grip eagle is period.

I see no other issues with it.

Regards Larry

**bdc** · 09-09-2019, 02:37 PM

Thank you Phil and Larry, I very much appreciate it when someone takes their time to share their knowledge with me. I'm at the point where I've learned to know what to look for in many cases, but not necessarily how to interpret what I see. I think that's the stage where you really can get yourself in trouble.
Greg