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Early SA Rohm dagger?

Article about: Greetings! I have the oppertunity to obtain a SA dagger from another "collector". He's selling multiple daggers and one of them is this one. My question thereby is, what do you thi

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    If I were to go for a ground one, this is the type and condition I would plump for, totally un-messed with, tight fitting and it has all that you desire to see
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    Well, that would be me out anyway, its been pulled apart.

    Below I have a pictured my very low Value Rzm SA dagger. Its suffers the normal plating loss where the guards meet the wood - I beleave the plating loss is triggered from moisture seeping back from the wood.
    Far lower value than the dagger originally posted here - but still treated with the respect it deserves.

    Check out how the wood meets the crossguard and the untouched pommel nut (this is the best angle to photograph the pommel nut on).

    Just wish people would be a bit more careful sometimes.

    rgds matty


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    Well, yes. It is a shame But is there anything out of the ordinary you could notice about it while it being apart?

    Also, IF you would be thinking of buying a dagger, what kind of an pricetag would you place on this one? In the condition it's in, with al the questionmarks and that it has been taken apart? I, myself am on the lookout for an SA dagger, as you have noticed . But as an student collector, the higher end gear just isn't what I can afford. So i'm looking for the ones with the most historical value were the pricetag is still within reasonable prices. So I got some things to think about with this one.

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    Hi John, just for the sake of learning, where in the blade generally speaking, are the traces of the Rohm inscription being erased?
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    If I were to go for a ground one, this is the type and condition I would plump for, totally un-messed with, tight fitting and it has all that you desire to see

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    m41700,

    I always think that when we see the 'ive been offered this by private seller' type threads its always somebody working on a budget that has doubts before buying but also doesn't want to miss out on the next holy grail.
    Nothing wrong with that though!

    There is allot of advanced collectors on here that will always expect things to be 100% but of course 100% comes with a price tag - most likely not the budget you wish to work with.

    What you asked is whether the dagger is original. Well it looks original yes. Imo its not 100% parts as it has a nice matching patina throughout, even if you look at the top guard it has the same matching spotting as found on the top fitting of the scabbard so its been together a very long time. Parts daggers are always clean, when swapping parts its the patina that always stands out the most so its always better to clean it all off and start again!
    As William correctly said, the grip isn't quite the same shape, which could mean it has a replaced grip. Or it has just shrunk.

    Thing to remember about value is the no maker blade wont help.

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    Hi M4.... I could not find any relation to the "S" marked guards to any Rohm produced daggers in what I have in documented sightings.

    Also the SA Gruppe mark "Sa" is seen with a few producers but very sparse...yet none actually point to be attached to a Rohm dagger. The possibility exists that there may be.

    I also can not relate the tang mark with any producer at all..due to the quality of the photo.

    Not sure by the quality of the photo if this is a Rohm inscription removed blade or not....or that it may be an unapplied logo? Also recent grindings and polishings are thought by enterprisers to up the value of the blade naming it a Rohm dagger is also a falacy. It actually holds no worth and is worth less...with no producer logo. I am not saying this is the case with this particular dagger..but snakes exist in this hobby.

    This dagger IMO is not a worthwhile investment..with many doubts of parts mixing and fit. Seek by a reputable source only as anymore the days are increasing in fakes and parted daggers. Whole examples can be found starting below. Regards Larry

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    Quote by jamoros View Post
    Hi John, just for the sake of learning, where in the blade generally speaking, are the traces of the Rohm inscription being erased?
    Factory grind marks and half of the maker mark ground off, plus EP&S is a known dagger for the inscription.
    However, IMO it is only an SA dagger with grind marks on the back, does not, IMHO make it worth anymore than a standard SA
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    I have to add though. I hear a lot of dealers AND collectors say "untouched" and out of the woodwork"

    Well, I've been "dealing " since 1973, and I can tell you, back then, in Charing Cross under-cover market in central London, there used to be tables with piles of SA daggers and I mean PILES, ask anyone who was around then, and when I used to buy, perhaps 5 or 6 at a time @£30 each, I would take the blade out, and try it in different scabbards until I got the desired "fit" so most if not all has been messed with at some point

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    Thanks John, appreciate that

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    Quote by John Brandon View Post
    I have to add though. I hear a lot of dealers AND collectors say "untouched" and out of the woodwork"

    Well, I've been "dealing " since 1973, and I can tell you, back then, in Charing Cross under-cover market in central London, there used to be tables with piles of SA daggers and I mean PILES, ask anyone who was around then, and when I used to buy, perhaps 5 or 6 at a time @£30 each, I would take the blade out, and try it in different scabbards until I got the desired "fit" so most if not all has been messed with at some point
    Scary but true and into the present.
    It is not the size of a Collection in History that matters......Its the size of your Passion for it!! - Larry C

    One never knows what tree roots push to the surface of what laid buried before the tree was planted - Larry C

    “The farther back you can look, the farther forward you are likely to see.” - Winston Churchill

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