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German Dagger Scabbard Tip, Oak Leaf design no screw holes, metal detector find.

Article about: Those example fittings are not mine, the picture was downloaded from a web site, I thought they looked cheap but I also thought they were supposed to be real, attached is a picture of the on

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    Those example fittings are not mine, the picture was downloaded from a web site, I thought they looked cheap but I also thought they were supposed to be real, attached is a picture of the one I own, and here is a link showing that oak leaf motif ss honor scabbards do exist.

    Dagger, Sword, and Bayonet Scabbards, Shells, and Screws
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    Ok Now this has turned into an SS thread so lets examine this again. The scabbard fittings on an SS honor dagger had 2 types,, the scalloped and the oak leaf motif. ,,again let me quote my own words from the 2nd post ( quote ) IMO I feel that the oak leaves are a little on the fat side compared to SA/SS Honor daggers. ( quote )
    This fact still stands true even on the SS scabbard fittings. The metal detector find that was found in "some guys"yard does not support enough evidence of Authenticity,, although it shows a likeness of an SS fitting. So now the question,, and for the advanced collectors reading this ,, it has been stated The SS Honor dagger scabbard mounts were not a separate part but a part that was incorporated onto the scabbard during the scabbard shell stamping. (( An all in one stamping process )) From that point the scabbard shell was brazed together and cleaned up before the fine grained black leather was applied. ( Wittmanns SS Reference pg 287 paragraph 2 ) This is one of the main reasons why you do not see scabbard screws sticking out on this type of dagger.
    So if this is an Authentic scabbard fitting please show supporting documentation. In your link from Tom Johnson, he also states in matter of fact that the "Upper fitting" he has for sale had scabbard screws. Regards Larry
    It is not the size of a Collection in History that matters......Its the size of your Passion for it!! - Larry C

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    Im sorry to say that the example on the left is not original. These were a high honor to receive one of these honor daggers. The fittings alone were made of silver. The blade is a fine Damascus maiden hair pattern with "raised" gilded motto and trademark . The fittings on authentic examples were scalloped. I have not seen a true High leaders dagger with oak leaves on the scabbard fittings ,, only scalloped. If they do exist on an authentic example please post it! The examples shown are a cheap plated variety and hardly passable as a good repro. Fact: These daggers where made of quality material and craftmanship. These were not hand assembled by the thousands. True market value of these today will start around $55,000. below is an example of a Chained SA high leaders dagger. look and see on your examples that you posted if the silvering is lifting from the metal. Do you have these in your posession?

    Follow this link as one here is listed by Lakesidetrader
    That Lakeside honour dagger - WOW!

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    The Spanish connection might be correct. This looks remarkably similar to what was used by Denix on their SS Honours Dagger Replicas.
    Sorry about the picture, only one I could find.

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    Wow, This probably is a replica, when I found it and dug it up it was facing with the open end up with the top being about 3" deep, as if someone stuck the scabbard into the Florida soft sandy ground and pulled it back put not realizing that the fitting was still in the ground, Thanks to Larry C for all the great information.

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    The Spanish copies that are mass produced had their fittings "Glued " in place. A few hot and cold seasons are enough to crack and dry any glue. These copies were just that,,Copies!! No craftmanship no heart and soul and no meaning of a cause. The junk that is made today represents nothing! The swastika that is used today is only stolen from History to scam the unknowing out of their hard earned cash. These so called repros that are Spanish made or are found in a junk magazines are only phantom reminders. Nothing else,,, they look nice and twinkle and sparkle,, but they are hollow with no promise of authenticity. Still the part that you found is still useful DDD,,,,as it can be used as a reference tool if this hobby interests you. I have to give you credit as you did research by posting a photo of 2 comparable types of scabbard fittings. You have done more than most new visitors to the forum, and all they ask is it real? and nothing else. I give credit to you also Regards Larry
    It is not the size of a Collection in History that matters......Its the size of your Passion for it!! - Larry C

    One never knows what tree roots push to the surface of what laid buried before the tree was planted - Larry C

    “The farther back you can look, the farther forward you are likely to see.” - Winston Churchill

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