08-24-2013 03:40 PM
Hello, welcome. I can't comment on the daggers, but you'd be best to photograph each on its own and make a separate thread for each dagger. Trying to authenticate two daggers on one thread will get confusing. Just my two sense. Seen it done in the helmet forum and it gets confusing keeping everyone on the same page. The dagger guys can help you with what needs to be photographed and how.
Thank you! I will do them separately!
welcome here at the forum.
first of all these black scabbards indicate that these daggers are NSKK daggers, which is the motorized brigade.
It has nothing to do with the SS.
One blade seems to be a ground Rohm, parts of the dedication are still shown.
One is a Herder Sa, known for its dark colors, sometimes the SA daggers of Herder SA are so dark the scabbard can be mistaken for a NSKK one.
The other is a Wusthof.
Both are common makers, and the quality is unfortunate not good.
Your story that the daggers and the Luftschutz helmts are from German Officers is not very likely.
Mostly these daggers/helmets are bought as a souvenir.
When the Motor SA was discontinued and it's members absorbed in to the NSKK, many SA men hand painted their scabbards black over the original brown finish. It is quite possible that the daggers were surrendered by a German officer. I have encountered several veteran purchases when a surrendering German military officer would hand over his SA dagger.
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