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Unknown suit pin -- Identification please

Article about: Fellow Collectors, I have recently received a package from my German relatives containing a variety of interesting items. I have been unable to learn much about this suit pin. I believe the

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    Question Unknown suit pin -- Identification please

    Fellow Collectors,

    I have recently received a package from my German relatives containing a variety of interesting items. I have been unable to learn much about this suit pin.

    I believe the item is authentic. Any information about the branch of service or what it represents would be appreciated.

    Unknown suit pin -- Identification please
    Unknown suit pin -- Identification please

    Regards,

    Marcus

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    This would be a stick pin that applies to the NSKOV [Nationalsozialistische Kriegsopferversorgung -- National Socialist War Victim's Care in English].

    It was a care organisation dedicated to the wounded veterans of the First World War, established in 1934. I'm afraid I can't help with authenticating the pin itself, as it's not one of my collecting fields.

    Some info here: National Socialist War Victim's Care - Wikipedia

    Regards, B.B.
    "Don't worry about the bullets, I've got an umbrella". - Major Digby Tatham-Warter

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    This is excellent. Thank you so much for the information. :-)

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    A shame that it's likely a fantasy piece, according to those better versed in these things than I. If you so desire, a real one wouldn't be an especially difficult or expensive thing to find.

    As a matter of fact, Espenlaub currently has an original one listed on their site: German 3 Reich NSKOV pin RZM M1/52 maker- NSDAP, non-Combat

    B.B.
    "Don't worry about the bullets, I've got an umbrella". - Major Digby Tatham-Warter

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    Quote by BrodieBartfast View Post
    A shame that it's likely a fantasy piece, according to those better versed in these things than I.

    B.B.
    Would like to hear details about what makes those better versed reach the conclusion that this pin is a reproduction. Part of my joining this forum was in the hopes of getting a bit of an education in learning to recognize authentic items vs. reproductions.

    I wounder what (in your own words) "those better versed in these things than I" would have to say :-)

    -- Marcus

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    Quote by Markai1967 View Post
    Would like to hear details about what makes those better versed reach the conclusion that this pin is a reproduction. Part of my joining this forum was in the hopes of getting a bit of an education in learning to recognize authentic items vs. reproductions.

    I wounder what (in your own words) "those better versed in these things than I" would have to say :-)

    -- Marcus
    It was posted in the thread concerning your SS pin. Brian (bsiwula1) posted this reply.

    'Hello again Marcus. I hate to say both stickpins you posted are bad imo. The NSKOV is cast and I think the SS pin is as well. In either case the pin attachment plates are too small to be effective/durable given the size and weight of each pin respectively. Best regards.

    Brian'


    This would imply it was a cast fake, and going on the lack of details I'd presume he was spot on. You're quite right, in that it's important not only to state 'fake', but to explain why. The characteristics of fakes vs originals, and what to look out for in regards to identifying either. In this case, the pin on the Espenlaub site would be a good comparison.

    Looking at the two, you can see the contrast in terms of fine detail. Though as this isn't a field I collect in, I wouldn't know where to start!

    Regards, B.B.
    "Don't worry about the bullets, I've got an umbrella". - Major Digby Tatham-Warter

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    The design in of itself is not a fantasy piece. As the symbol is what is regarded to be that of the NSKOV. What makes the piece fake is it's crudeness, it lacks detail and is cast, as the detail on a die struck piece (as this would of been made in period) would be very close in appearance front to back. And as stated in the previous thread the pin attachment method is weak in construction. Kindest regards.

    Brian

    Here is the example from Espenlaub militaria for comparison.

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    Agree that the OP badge is not good...most likely came out of Poland with a lot of the other tinnies and small badges that are made from the same alloy.

    I sell these for like $15.00 by the way...seems like a waste of time for someone to do this...

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