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SS Buckles to collect: The ultimate list

Article about: Years that I did not publish any updates in this particular field of collecting. Years collectors (and leeches) were asking for it. So today you finally got it in your Forum as well. This li

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    Default SS Buckles to collect: The ultimate list

    Years that I did not publish any updates in this particular field of collecting. Years collectors (and leeches) were asking for it. So today you finally got it in your Forum as well.

    This list is the result of over 20 years of investigations, time and money consuming.
    Nobody has any idea about how many hundreds of hours it took me to reach then closely verify the accuracy of this list.

    In this list you will find several "Named by JP Redeuilh". Why? Because it is true. Like Type 1 or Type whatever, I indeed also created those Types many years ago. Some collectors are kind to remember this but most don't.

    So, I will kindly ask ANYBODY using this list or content, for future reference, comment, publication or duplication to be honest and preserve its origin and so my work. Most leeches, as I call them, don't do anything since getting credit is more rewarding than giving it. So the choice to refer is your but please do it. It is just respect and will not cost you anything.

    I will update by segments, then I will add pictures and availability. So the full thread will take several days / weeks

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    Nickel Silver Buckles (EM/NCO) 1931 to 1936:

    Big Head (Named by JP Redeuilh) / Hammerhead (Collector's name)
    Unmarked Big Head – Regular Catch
    Unmarked Big Head – Legged Catch

    Cracked Wing (Named by JP Redeuilh)
    Unmarked Cracked Wing – No crack
    Unmarked Cracked Wing – Cracked
    Ges.Gesch. Marked Cracked Wing

    Fat Eagle (Probably made by Hermann Schwerter-Menden)
    Unmarked Fat Eagle
    O&C GES.GESCH. Marked Fat Eagle

    Forte Crête (Named by JP Redeuilh). Straight wings on back) This is also refereed as earless in this Forum
    Unmarked Forte Crête

    Short Wings (Named by Blazej). Almost square buckle & short wings eagle
    Unmarked Short Wings

    Scroll (Named by JP Redeuilh). Right Scroll is next to exclamation point
    Unmarked Scroll

    Long feathers Neck (Named by JP Redeuilh). Very long feathers on neck.
    Unmarked Long feathers Neck

    Twin Over (Named by JP Redeuilh). Almost identical to an Overhoff buckle
    Unmarked Twin Over
    Ges.Gesch. Marked Twin Over

    Rotated Swastika Maker 1
    Unmarked Rotated Swastika Maker 1

    Rotated Swastika Maker 2
    Unmarked Rotated Swastika Maker 2

    GZM (Made only in Danzig. Probably by R.Reich)
    Early Marking (GZD)
    GZM M1/131
    Ground Off GZM

    Friedrich Keller
    Unmarked F.Keller

    Giesse & Schmidt, Ruhla
    Unmarked G&S

    Oeil Cerné (Named by JP Redeuilh)
    This was attributed to Rudolf Fisher by JP Redeuilh BUT possible mistake
    Unmarked

    Berg & Nolte
    RZM 36

    Martin Winter
    Overstamped with RZM 57
    RZM 57 only

    Steinhauer & Lück
    RZM 63

    Assmann
    O&C ges.gesch.
    O&C ges.gesch. + RZM 155/36 SS

    Overhoff & Cie
    O&C Ges.gesch. DRGM
    O&C Ges.gesch Type 1
    O&C Ges.gesch Type 2
    OVERHOFF & CIE / LÜDENSCHEID GES.GESCH.
    O&C ges.gesch.
    O&C ges.ge sch.
    Ground off Overhoff’s
    O&C ges.gesch. + RZM
    RZM 24
    RZM SS 35/36
    RZM SS 36/36
    Unmarked


    Nickel Silver Buckles (Officers) 1931 to 1936:

    Steel Unmarked
    Period authenticity is yet to prove. There is so far NO valid evidence this buckle was ever manufactured before 1946. The ONLY link to it's possible authenticity was brought by long time collector Marc Verstraete who one day purchased it for his own collection, now gone. His belief became an assumption. I still list it here since, if I cannot prove it's authenticity, I cannot deny it either.

    Overhoff & Cie
    Uumarked
    O&C Ges.gesch.
    O&C ges.gesch.
    O&C ges.ge sch.
    O&C ges.gesch. + RZM
    O&C ges.ge sch. + RZM
    O&C ges.ge sch. + RZM 24
    RZM 24 + GES.GESCH.
    RZM 24
    RZM SS 35/36
    RZM SS 36/36
    Last edited by Ben Evans; 11-09-2018 at 09:29 AM.

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    Aluminum Buckles (EM/NCO) 1937 to 1940:

    Assmann & Söhne
    Rotated swastika (also called Prototype)
    RZM 155/39 SS Type 1
    RZM 155/39 SS Type 2
    RZM 155/40 SS

    R.Sieper
    Rotated swastika (also called Prototype)
    RZM 822/37 SS Type 1
    RZM 822/37 SS Type 2
    RZM 822/38 SS (Large Numbers - Type 1)
    RZM 822/38 SS (Small Numbers / Thin ring around SS - Type 2)
    RZM 822/38 SS (Small Numbers / Thick ring around SS - Type 3)
    Unmarked Injection Molded (also called Alu Flat Back)

    Overhoff
    RZM 36/37 SS (Marking by Catch)
    RZM 36/37 SS (Regular marking under post sleeve)
    RZM 36/38 SS (Regular marking under post sleeve)
    RZM 36/39 SS (Regular marking under post sleeve)
    RZM 36/40 SS (Type 1 One ring around SS - Regular marking under post sleeve)
    RZM 36/40 SS (Type 2 Two rings around SS -Regular marking under post sleeve)

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    Aluminum Buckles (SS Officer) 1937 to 1940:

    Assmann
    Unmarked (Believed to be prototype - buckle without prongs)
    Unmarked (Believed to be prototype - buckle with prongs)

    Overhoff
    RZM 36/37 oLc SS
    RZM 36/38 oLc SS
    RZM 36/39 oLc SS (Small Fonts)
    RZM 36/39 oLc SS (Large Fonts)
    RZM 36/39 oLc SS (Large Fonts) overstamped with Large oLc
    RZM 36/40 oLc SS

    Exact same as SS officer buckles but Gold finished
    RZM 36/39 oLc SS
    RZM 36/40 oLc SS

    Christian Th. Dicke
    RZM SS 257/39

    Police buckles bearing RZM/SS markings

    Overhoff
    RZM 36/38 oLc SS over ges.gesch. oLc (Gold Finished)

    Christian Th. Dicke
    RZM M4/22 SS DRGM
    DRGM RZM 257/40 SS
    DRGM RZM 257/40 SS (Gold Finished)
    RZM 257/41 SS

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    Quote by Jean Pierre Redeuilh View Post
    Years that I did not publish any updates in this particular field of collecting. Years collectors (and leeches) were asking for it. So today you finally got it in your Forum as well.

    This list is the result of over 20 years of investigations, time and money consuming.
    Nobody has any idea about how many hundreds of hours it took me to reach then closely verify the accuracy of this list.

    In this list you will find several "Named by JP Redeuilh". Why? Because it is true. Like Type 1 or Type whatever, I indeed also created those Types many years ago. Some collectors are kind to remember this but most don't.

    So, I will kindly ask ANYBODY using this list or content, for future reference, comment, publication or duplication to be honest and preserve its origin and so my work. Most leeches, as I call them, don't do anything since getting credit is more rewarding than giving it. So the choice to refer is your but please do it. It is just respect and will not cost you anything.

    I will update by segments, then I will add pictures and availability. So the full thread will take several days / weeks
    fajne militaria

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    Two deleted posts were interesting for this thread, so I will try my best to post again their content:
    - Wim, the most respected and largest source for period documents, was asking why there was no mention of Haunstein & Kirchhof from Leipzig in my list. The reason been is that a catalog from H&K shows indeed a drawing of an SS EM buckle been offered for sale along with several others buckles. But those are just rough drawings part of a catalog including various metal items ranging from rivets to springs for chairs and mattresses. Also several catalogs (including notorious Assmann's) were including items the maker was also selling, not just manufacturing. For that reason, this list includes ONLY physical SS buckles one can find and collect. All those SS buckle EXIST. I saw myself any of them and anybody can expect to find at least one.

    This bring us to the second interesting post:
    Andrea, who took great care to condense in a first comprehensive list what was spread over several other Forums, asked me a question about Bakelite SS buckles. My answer is that I do not expect to list any SS buckle made from Bakelite or post any picture about one. Reason? I never, ever, saw one. I saw documents dating from 1936 and 1941 dealing with production of Bakelite / thermoplastic buckles , I saw also Heer buckles made from such material, but never SAW anything related to a SS buckle made from Bakelite. The existence of a SS buckle made from Bakelite, for what is my concern, was an input from past collector Marc Verstraete. He swore to have seen not just one but two for sale at the same time. Following his own input, one was in perfect condition and the other was broken in two parts. Still following his own input, the broken one was sold to someone he does not remember, and the other in perfect condition to a collector he gave me name of. Several time I talked to this collector who smiled to me but never agreed even once to ever owned such buckle.
    So, I am someone who needs to see or touch to believe. I did not see one, I did not touch one either. So, until that happens such SS buckle remains for me just a legend.

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    Steel Buckles (EM/NCO) 1940 to 1945:

    Overhoff
    RZM 36/42 SS Type 1
    RZM 36/42 SS Type 2
    RZM 36/42 SS Type 3
    RZM 36/43 SS
    RZM 36/44 SS
    OLC (within large diamond)
    ges. gesch.
    Unmarked (Green finished + Silver finished (Several kinds))

    Assmann
    RZM 155/40 SS Type 1 (marking by the catch)
    RZM 155/40 SS Type 2 (marking under post-sleeve)
    RZM 155/40 SS Crank Catch
    RZM 155/43 SS Type 1 (same catch as 40's)
    RZM 155/43 SS Type 2 (U shaped catch) (Green finished + Grey finished + Silver finished (Several kinds))

    Josef Feix & Söhne
    JFS
    Unmarked

    C.Robert Dold (RODO)
    RODO Type 1 (NO Rope below eagle's beak) (2 finishes)
    RODO Type 2 (Rope below eagle's beak) (4 finishes)

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    I forgot in the above post to add that the 155/40 T2 can be found Green and Silver finished from factory. Even if it is possible to find several SS buckles from earlier periods been field repainted in green for use by the Waffen-SS, the green painted 155/40 T2 are considered the first SS buckles factory finished exclusively for the Waffen-SS.

    Zinc Buckles (EM/NCO) 1942 to 1945:

    Richard Sieper
    RZM 822/42 SS (Green finished + Silver finished)

    Zinc Buckles (Officers) 1942 to 1945:

    Overhoff
    RZM 36/42 oLc SS
    RZM 36/43 oLc SS
    ges.gesch. over oLc

    Emil Jüttner
    Marked with EJL logo
    Unmarked

    Exact same as SS officer buckles but Gold finished
    Marked with EJL logo

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    This ends the listing part. When time permits I will continue this thread with pictures and rarity level for each buckle.

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