Thoughts on this SS RZM 57 buckle and belt?

[Ben Evans]

Just tried it JP, did not get that much to be honest, did you type it is like that in google? RZM 101/38 SS

[Jean Pierre Redeuilh]

Exactly this: rzm 101/38 ss
then click on IMAGES on top. My link is that one; https://www.google.ca/search?q=rzm+1...w=1920&bih=955

I do not know if you, in Europe, have access to everything. But here it is. Click on the image and then on "visit site".

Here are links for the open claws belt
Militaria Deutschland Allgemein (ab Los 281, 84. Auktion) ARCHIV!

SS leader
Waffen-SS (ab Los 61, 83. Auktion) ARCHIV!

SS dagger loop
wo2forum.nl • Toon onderwerp - SS en SA dolk onderdelen (ook zeldzaam ss riempje)

SS cross strap
615: German WWII SS black leather shoulder strap : Lot 615

and copy of text page 36 of a pdf sales catalog I cannot upload (Please note the HJ buckle is attached to the belt

102
A Second World War Hitler
Jugend Leaders Belt Buckle, the
reverse hook stamped 'RZM4/46',
fitted to a black leather belt,
bearing signs of an original white
overlay, the adjusting, leather tab
marked 'RZM 101-38', possibly a
Leibstandarte Adolf Hitler
enlisted man's parade belt,
converted for use with the Hitler
Youth.
£400-600
36

[Ben Evans]

The only other item I can find at the mo is a the same HJ leaders belt and buckle with this marking but no pictures that JP found in the above post. I will try and research who the leather maker is and see if they did indeed exist, at mo its not really looking good for this mark

[Jean Pierre Redeuilh]

An open claw belt with a 1938 SS contract stamp should be enough IMO ...

[Ben Evans]

Well here are the dagger loops

[Jean Pierre Redeuilh]

Ben,
Do not bother anymore. I believe we have all the answer we needed.

[Ben Evans]

Already done JP, moved the pics to the fake markings thread

[yellow12]

Hello,

i have doubts myself with this belt .

Than it must be a very very old fake .

The belt i show was with the real good 155/43 green buckle , a gift of a veterans family , in the 1983/4



My thoughts about was . A 1938 stamped belt with green steel hook ? Normaly it must be aluminium in 1938

[Jean Pierre Redeuilh]

...and the name tag is for a Heer soldier, not someone in the SS IMO

[Jean Pierre Redeuilh]

Just to complete this thread and definitively send the marking RZM 101/38 SS in the fake area, here are two other belts which were "upgraded" to SS level by crooks. Pictures of those two belts were once again sent to my attention (with request I upload them for you guys) by a German friend.

Just a note for the education of newbies: two leather belts from the same maker, especially made the same year, are always showing the exact same pattern. In this thread you will find that all the belts pictured are displaying different patterns.

We should once again Thanks this German friend who kindly submitted all those photos allowing us to definitively put a term to this discussion