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1933 pattern SS Dienstdolch 121/38

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    Default 1933 pattern SS Dienstdolch 121/38

    I am pretty sure it's a fake there is just no detail to the blades motto and the RZM looks funny. Let me know what you think thought i could be totally off. Let me know what you thinkClick image for larger version. 

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    I'm not an expert, but he has very bad details and marks. I think this is not a genuine dagger, but wait for other opinions...

    Kris.

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    If you look at the blades motto i think it is this "The process is known industrially as "photo-engraving" or "photo resist etching'" and it is used every day to make things like printed circuit boards.
    A photo resists is a liquid lacquer-type substance to which photo sensitive material like ammonium bichromate has been added." ( thanks John Brandon )

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    The scabbard and the grip looks like nice plastic

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    Quote by Normandie View Post
    The scabbard and the grip looks like nice plastic
    My thoughts exactly!

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    This as yet unknown maker has been associated with fake daggers for many years, but recently they have become more accepted as better ones have appeared and been examined by the leaders in the field of dagger collecting.

    Having said that, the one above looks bloody awful in all aspects, and is not I think one of these more convincing blades. Take a look at the markings on this dagger blade below which is considered genuine. There are noticable differences are there not?

    Regards, Ned.
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    Default re: 1933 pattern SS Dienstdolch 121/38

    Could this be an original/fake 'parts' dagger? There are some obvious fake pieces, the handle for example but could there be any original parts there too?

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    I am pretty sure it's a fake there is just no detail to the blades motto and the RZM looks funny. Let me know what you think thought i could be totally off. Let me know what you thinkClick image for larger version. 

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    Looks like the grip has been panted with a high gloss black paint,I would never buy this one

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    It's really the uglyest dagger I've ever saw... Pure horror!!!

    K.

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    This dagger could of been a prop for theatre. There is nothing on it that is authentic. Neds photo is very interesting and it looks really good....BUT...an in hand inspection of the crossgrain on this early dagger will tell the truth. The crossgraining process on the early type SS daggers should not be confused with the late period process,, which is alot more coarse. IMO i do not believe this 121/38 blade to be real because of what the photo shows. There is a noticeable difference between the 2 periods. There is no supporting documentation to this day for this 1938 year. Its a great photo but in hand would tell more. Thanks for posting this Ned! Regards Larry

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