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1936 Chained SS Dagger, or is it?

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    I hadn't intended to weigh in on this one, as it looks like Larry and Fred have it pretty well handled. However, I will say that I am in agreement with their concerns. The sheath just by itself is in Particular quite questionable-especially so the center mount and the chain.

    I am also more than abit troubled by the statement made that it is supposed to have come from Lincoln Rockwell and had been "used in some of their rites" and this aspect adds value for you. You Are aware that Neo-Nazi beliefs and antisemitism is strictly monitored and forbidden on this Site? This should not be something that is needed to be pointed out.

    "Much that once was, is lost. For none now live who remember it."

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  3. #22

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    It's not directly from GLR, but anecdotally was handled by him and it WAS used by ANP members for certain purposes. I could have that legally documented. In my opinion, that does add historical value, and I am certainly not alone in that feeling.

    George Lincoln Rockwell played an important role in American history (his name was known to almost all Americans), and he was poised to play an even bigger one when he was assassinated by John Patler. The fact that you dislike neo-nazism or GLR is irrelevant; it has historical value.

    You are aware that we're talking about SS daggers, right? Not Wehrmacht, not SA, but SS. It is the epitome of all that is "Nazi" and "anti-semitic." Many collectors won't touch SS materials for that reason. There are endless discussions in academia, and even popular media, about whether collecting ANY pre-1945 National Socialist materials at all is ethical. I have not made any "neo-nazi or anti-semitic" comments, nor will I, but I don't lie, and I won't defame the man who gave me this wonderful gift, nor the man who imparted it to him.

  4. #23

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    Regardless of who you revere or value, this particular dagger did Not see or commit History, so there is no point in getting defensive over Rockwell and the ANP -neither of which is admired or permitted on this Forum.

    "Much that once was, is lost. For none now live who remember it."

  5. #24

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    It hasn't been established at all that this dagger did not see or commit history. I think the dagger IS legitimate and Atwood just decided to spruce it up by adding the chained scabbard.

    You're the one who opened the door to the GLR discussion with your "concern." I just mentioned it as a bit of trivia.

    Its use in ANP rites does add historical value (post-war American historical value, but still). In fact, when I display this dagger, I think I will do so next to a photo of GLR with Otto Skorzeny.

    A Jewish colleague of mine just offered the following comment when apprised of our discussion:

    "The ANP was a joke. I wouldn't mind leafing through their publications and laughing at their stupid stunts, but an SS dagger is completely different entity. Whoever owned that thing was a true Nazi, and someone complicit in the Holocaust at the very least. It creeps me out that you even have that thing and I hope it's not real. Until you tell me that it's not real, I won't even touch it! What kind of weirdo collects SS daggers and says he isn't anti-semitic or sympathetic in some way to the Nazi war effort? I just don't believe that nonsense. I think that's cowardly."

    I suggest we close this door immediately. These items are politically charged -- we all know that -- and I don't think some additional trivia about one of Rockwell's guys getting ahold of it does any harm to anyone.

  6. #25

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    If having 3 long time dagger collector/experts giving their opinions on this dagger not being what you believe it to be isn't enough, frankly, I don't know what more there is to add, so you're right in that aspect-might as well close the door. We're not here to teach or correct a person's beliefs of WWII and what did or did not occur. In this case, we're here to give authenticity judgements on a Model 1936 SS dagger, and I believe that this has been done. The key here is-be happy with the items you collect. If you feel so strongly and good about this piece-then good, you'll own something that you can be satisfied with. Sorry you couldn't hear what you wanted to hear, is all.

    "Much that once was, is lost. For none now live who remember it."

  7. #26

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    Name the three persons.

    Not a single person, other than yourself, has stated that the dagger has ANY issues at all. The consensus of the forum is: we don't know; we need more photos because it's all washed out by the flash.

    You haven't made any observations on my dagger whatsoever. You're worried about some unrelated trivia pertaining to the item. You yourself said that's why you felt compelled to "weigh in" here. Are you even reading the thread?

    The scabbard has been judged, as far as one can judge it on a forum (I will take pics of screws, etc. anyway), but no one has yet pronounced judgment on the dagger, aside from yourself. Please tell me how you were able to extrapolate its illegitimacy when no one else has been able to determine that?

  8. #27

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    Posts 2,5 and 6. Re-read them. The opinions of 2 Forum Moderators plus 2 longtime collectors who have owned and handled more material of this nature than most SS men themselves ever did in their careers. For me to debate this further is a pointless exercise and this is my last statement on it.

    "Much that once was, is lost. For none now live who remember it."

  9. #28

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    Post 2 says that it's a mismatched set, which I acknowledged from the outset, and Larry's posts shredded the scabbard but left the dagger up in the air.

    You may say that you won't respond to this thread because it's a "waste of your time" (you've certainly wasted mine, unlike Larry, who has been very helpful, and every other member, who has been respectful and thorough) but the fact is, you can't point to one aspect of my dagger that is questionable, let alone pronounce final judgment on it, so you're worming your way out of the discussion.

  10. #29

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    I think its one of the spanish repro's

  11. #30

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    Thanks for the feedback. Please tell me exactly why you think it's a Spanish repro.

    Generalized statements like, "it's a fake" or "it's repro" don't really help me or add to the understanding of the community. What are the giveaways? How can you deduce that fact?

    More than anything, I want a definitive answer as to the question of this item's authenticity. I will take as many photos as necessary to answer the question, one way or the other. In return, all I request is a specific critique of its various components, rather than generalized comments or digressions on neo-nazis.

    Thank you all for your assistance.

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