SS dagger(Emil schmitz?)

**Vernichtung** · 05-26-2015, 03:59 PM

hey guys,

I am purchasing these two SS daggers from a seller who found them in the addict(his wife has the same last name). They look both period to me, can`t spot the flaws on this one(hope i am right this time). The blades show good signs of etching, all solid nickle as far as i can see, same wear on all parts( The pictures are really good). My main concerns are the rust and the number on the Carl Eichhorn. The blade has some rust and i am not sure the 1847 number is war time(pre war). The seller asks 5000 euro`s for both daggers. Do you guys think the number is good and is it a good idea to clean the blade(by an expert)?
I am just in it for the Böker, selling the other one if i buy them.

Regards, Job

**Espenlaub Militaria** · 05-26-2015 03:59 PM

We also buy and trade your items and full collections!

**KRISSE** · 05-26-2015, 04:03 PM

Well, you gonna need far more better pictures to have them reviewed here. And best 2 different threads. One of each dagger.
Ask the seller to make more and better pictures.

**Vernichtung** · 05-26-2015, 04:04 PM

ill just upload them all, hope there is no limit. these pictures are as good as they get.
i will make a new one for the Böker.

**KRISSE** · 05-26-2015, 05:48 PM

[QUOTE=Vernichtung;1443732]ill just upload them all, hope there is no limit. these pictures are as good as they get.
i will make a new one for the Borker.[/QUOT

'BÖKER'

**KRISSE** · 05-26-2015, 05:49 PM

Okay, wait till HarryC comes in on these ones. I do like the Böker accually. But Harry and some others are far more specialized in these.

**Vernichtung** · 05-26-2015, 06:39 PM

thanks!!
i ****ed up a bit with both post, so i got inpatient. Thanks for telling me, too big of a mistake to leave on the forum.
I cant type the " but ill copy paste it.

**Larry C** · 05-26-2015, 09:33 PM

by KRISSE

Okay, wait till HarryC comes in on these ones. I do like the Böker accually. But Harry and some others are far more specialized in these.

Absolutely agree..lets wait for Harry

...while we are waiting for his Input..I will give my thoughts.

I will be speaking about the Eickhorn dagger as I have given my thoughts on the Boker in a separate thread. From what i can see..is yet another crusty find..which appears to be a SS Ground Rohm. That being said is the reason why the small double oval used for these type daggers..which is close to the crossguard.
This dagger had been opened at least once as seen on the tang nut...BUT...seem to have been untouched since that time. I see no stress or swirls which leaves me to think this was done during the period which this opening may allow for what i have noticed as a restamping of an SS number over a prexisting one . Take a closer look and you will see some type of image beneath the stamped numbers above.

I dont have a reason why this early dagger was restamped and could be for any number of reasons...one mainly I know of that has happened to most Rohm daggers..was a dagger returned to be ground down..and then reissued. What doesnt make sense..is the low number that was applied above a lower number?? Not sure of this and why.

We know these Rohm daggers had to be ground down ( Name or inscription removal ) after the Rohm purge of June 30 1934. The numbers do appear period which I am cautiously optimistic about. The grip has me worried a bit as someone had a go at the grip eagle as seen on the right wing tip being dug out. The grip eagle does not appear to be an Eickhorn eagle..which may mean nothing....yet the Runes button fits what is seen on these types.

(( Still waiting for Harry

))

I like this dagger also but have some reservations I am unsure of with the stamping..and the grip eagle..but leaning towards being good. I would like to hear some opinions from the SS Uniform forum Gents there ..and their thoughts on the early stamping or any local knowledge here with our own Dagger members.... and how it would coincide with being stamped on top of another at such an early date with a low numbered SS Mann . Regards Larry

**Vernichtung** · 05-26-2015, 10:06 PM

Thanks a lot Larry. I hope i can get a decent price for this one. If not the Boker gets really expensive for me.
Btw: the red color on the eagle, isn`t this the copper flush(which you see with zinc eagles)? That would suggest a wrong eagle right?

Regards, Job