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01-28-2019 07:44 AM
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Seems as though your Uncle got around as someone else posted this same dagger here questioning the grip color.
Suspicious SS Dagger - Brown handle?
Your excellent photos are giving me 2nd thoughts on the authenticity of the grip and the rest of the dagger.
Its amazing those who purposely photograph edged weapons know how to use the right lighting and the use of shadows to hide something others should not see.
I will wait for the community to view this same dagger under a better light and give their thoughts.
It is not the size of a Collection in History that matters......Its the size of your Passion for it!!
- Larry C
One never knows what tree roots push to the surface of what laid buried before the tree was planted - Larry C
“The farther back you can look, the farther forward you are likely to see.” - Winston Churchill
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Im very curious of how the first photos came about from Member Naptime verses the story of the uncle in this thread.
I feel someone went out of their way to stain this grip
It is not the size of a Collection in History that matters......Its the size of your Passion for it!!
- Larry C
One never knows what tree roots push to the surface of what laid buried before the tree was planted - Larry C
“The farther back you can look, the farther forward you are likely to see.” - Winston Churchill
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LOLLL...I always find it funny when I somehow stumble upon forum posts regarding myself or something relating to me posted by other people. It has happened before on a Volvo enthusiast forum. But at the same time, I can't really blame user naptime for wanting to know more about the dagger, pretty much the same thing that has lead me here too.
Thank you Larry and Brian for the feedback!
Yes, those pictures from the previous thread of naptime's were indeed taken by me as well. Granted, at a time that I thought I was looking at an "old war knife" and nothing that special. I know, my ignorance. Here's a little background on this story. My uncle, who has been an avid collector of everything under the sun for the last 40 years, has collected antique timepieces, old Persian rugs, hundreds of hummels, china, silverware, old Leica photography items, antique furniture, etc etc etc. Recently, he has decided to move to Germany and oversee his farms and his honeybees that he has had there for some time. To make the move easier on him, he literally spent his time until his last days here in the states selling off all his collectibles one by one. It was insane to see because all these collectibles that he owned, I had seen them over the years growing up and it was unfathomable to ever think of my uncle without thinking of these items. But life changes and you have to adapt to what you're given and my uncle felt it was best to open the doors to another chapter in his life.
Now onto the dagger itself, prior to my uncle's departure, he gave me a bunch of last minute items that he didn't have time to sell off and this dagger was one of them. So similar to the other stuff he gave me, I had listed this dagger to sell and at the time of my posting, all I knew was that it was a German Nazi dagger. I listed it on the selling websites for a small $300 because I didn't know any better and I eventually had to take down the ads because the messages were coming in nonstop. I would like to buy your dagger, can you ship to NY and I'll pay the extra shipping fee, can you ship to XYZ, can you list it on eBay and I can pay with PayPal to protect the transaction, etc etc etc. Mind you, these aren't the usual selling website scammers, these were real people that legit wanted to purchase this dagger asap. So I had to respectfully withhold and reconsider what I had since I've never seen such a large demand for an item. That's what lead me to doing some research and ultimately finding out some of the history of these daggers, their collectibility, and the prices some would sell for. So yes, long story short, those pictures from the previous thread were pictures I took to sell on some selling websites. The black table it was on is my dining room table from Ikea
The theory of the grip losing its dye over time due to dagger owner using it a lot or always having his hand on it seems plausible to me. It definitely looks like it has its fair share of use, this wasn't a dagger that was kept mint or kept in the scabbard untouched. Which always led me and others to think, did they really use these in close hand to hand combat or training or was this a war item like a medal that you would be given just for status or achievement. The first thoughts that came to anyone I showed the dagger to were always, "Man, I wonder what this dagger has done/seen in its day because it definitely looks like the owner used it."
Thank Goodness I didn't decide to "clean" this dagger as I thought about doing so. Someone mentioned I should keep it as is and not mess or tinker with anything so that's exactly what I'm going to do.
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Great Story Nick ...and welcome to the forum !!
When entering into discussion forums such as these and the topics encompass mainly the Edged Weapon...we take the story that comes along with it and put it safely up on a temporary shelf ..to revert back to later once a discussion ensues about the dagger itself including..Quality Craft and material usage.
So with your request for feed back on the dagger...this thread will examine such in depth.
Once the community here comes to an agreement of the dexterity of the dagger...then we go back to the " Safe shelf " to retrieve the story that came along with it ...which in turn will narrow down further any discrepancies in details in warranted.
Throughout this website to put it bluntly and no disrespect towards you or your uncle ...the one liner that everyone repeats here is " Buy the item first not the story " ..as it is the dagger under examination which is physical in presence of the eyes here of the collectors and researchers. The story temporarily is just words added. Again No disrespect
Lets first look at the dagger as per your request for feed back..then which ..the dagger will support the story . Sound fair ??
I do support some of the concerns Brian has stated with these most excellent photos and lighting and a few thoughts of my own which I will add later on but letting the community here give their thoughts also.
Best Regards Larry
It is not the size of a Collection in History that matters......Its the size of your Passion for it!!
- Larry C
One never knows what tree roots push to the surface of what laid buried before the tree was planted - Larry C
“The farther back you can look, the farther forward you are likely to see.” - Winston Churchill
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Larry C
Great Story Nick
...and welcome to the forum !!
When entering into discussion forums such as these and the topics encompass mainly the Edged Weapon...we take the story that comes along with it and put it safely up on a temporary shelf ..to revert back to later once a discussion ensues about the dagger itself including..Quality Craft and material usage.
So with your request for feed back on the dagger...this thread will examine such in depth.
Once the community here comes to an agreement of the dexterity of the dagger...then we go back to the " Safe shelf " to retrieve the story that came along with it ...which in turn will narrow down further any discrepancies in details in warranted.
Throughout this website to put it bluntly and no disrespect towards you or your uncle ...the one liner that everyone repeats here is " Buy the item first not the story " ..as it is the dagger under examination which is physical in presence of the eyes here of the collectors and researchers. The story temporarily is just words added. Again No disrespect
Lets first look at the dagger as per your request for feed back..then which ..the dagger will support the story
. Sound fair ??
I do support some of the concerns Brian has stated with these most excellent photos and lighting and a few thoughts of my own which I will add later on but letting the community here give their thoughts also.
Best Regards Larry
Yes. All of that makes absolutely perfect sense to me and I am 100% in agreement with you. Don't worry, no disrespect was taken as I agree with you and the approach you and others take. Definitely, buying the item first before the story is rational as anyone can have a very nice story for something but at the same time, it isn't 100% authentic. And what's even worse, is when the person with the story for something is indeed genuine and honest but they indeed have been duped by the person who gave or sold them the item (not saying that about me, but there is always that slight chance that wherever or whoever my uncle got it from may have been dishonest or they didn't even know as well. Never ending loop lol).
So that is why I'm here, I want to find out more about this piece, find out if I want to keep it for my personal collection or sell it, but also and most importantly, if there really is something that is a clear and telling sign to the lack of the integrity of this dagger, the LAST thing I would ever want to do is take advantage of someone by selling them something that isn't authentic. Whether I knowingly or unknowingly do that. First, it's a horrible thing to do and second, I have been on the other end of the spectrum and getting ripped off is a horrible feeling.
(My last statement was referring to when I purchased a car from an auction thinking it only needed the rear bumper to be repaired based off the physical appearance of the car. But upon receiving it and driving it for the first 2 miles, I found out it needed a new motor, the electronic suspension didn't work, the heating/ac didn't work, and to make matters even worse, the AWD system was only FWD. Car was pretty much useless. Definitely some "not nice" sellers out there for lack of more appropriate words.)
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If you turn the grip on its side and photograph it......you will notice it has the sharpest of contour ridging almost perfect that is opposite of the condition of the rest of the dagger. The tang nut tells another story as it has lost all its plating.
If it is as you may think that this dagger has seen battle action ..and also the dye has thinned away which should have been done by the human hand constantly holding it...would one think that those contour ridges should be worn down also?
Show the top of the upper guard facing downward please and side view pics of both sides of the dagger grip.
Im beginning to think otherwise of a post war to recent put together. No faded grip that may have been dyed will have that kind of sharp contours to it. Just isnt going to happen.
It is not the size of a Collection in History that matters......Its the size of your Passion for it!!
- Larry C
One never knows what tree roots push to the surface of what laid buried before the tree was planted - Larry C
“The farther back you can look, the farther forward you are likely to see.” - Winston Churchill
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